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Postby gnichols » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:40 am

Adrian wrote:G'day Gary
You wrote:
I sure envy those guys who can live with a layout that's just a little circle of track around a palm tree on a deserted island,


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Do you mean something like this :?:

Admittedly 'O' scale.....it has 3" diameter track at 9mm gauge

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Yes... and OMG - how the heck to you guys get the rail bent that tightly? I can only assume it stays in place as you bend it and nail it down. Or, is there such a thing as a code 83 rail bender? These little layouts are fun and fascinating. Gary

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:05 am

8) For tight radius track, refer to my thread in Pizza 'n' Beer... all is revealed :!:
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Postby gnichols » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:07 am

Gavin,
So, the tight radii is bent by hand then? Amazing. I already figured I'd have to seperate the ties from below...

BTW, I still have a pair of TUI socks some of the "beer girls" gave us one evening at a pub in Sydney. Good stuff, TUI. Gary

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Postby Adrian » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:05 pm

G'day Gary

The bending of the rail for the island layout was real easy.........as I used N scale rail which approximates rod......I just pre-bent it around a can of beans.

The island is a scrap of softboard with PCB sleepers stuck to it. The rail was just soldered to the sleepers. Where the rail crossed the water the rail was just spiked to the top of the piles.

For use with code 100 rail I have got a rail bender from Fast Tracks ( www.handlaidtrack.com ) on order. This can handle code 40 to 148 rail with radius down to 1.5 inches.

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Postby gnichols » Sat May 01, 2010 10:47 am

Adrian wrote:G'day Gary

The bending of the rail for the island layout was real easy.........as I used N scale rail which approximates rod......I just pre-bent it around a can of beans.

The island is a scrap of softboard with PCB sleepers stuck to it. The rail was just soldered to the sleepers. Where the rail crossed the water the rail was just spiked to the top of the piles.

For use with code 100 rail I have got a rail bender from Fast Tracks ( www.handlaidtrack.com ) on order. This can handle code 40 to 148 rail with radius down to 1.5 inches.

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Adrian, thanx for the info... but.. hand laying rail this small is out of the question with my aging eyesight. Too bad they don't make a rail bender that works on manufactured track so you would not have to remove the rail from the ties! Not to worry, I'll figure something out! Gary

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Postby Adrian » Sat May 01, 2010 2:47 pm

G'day Gary

Regarding aging eyesight......I have the same problem.......Bought some +4 glasses from the local $2 shop.......not perfect but it helps.

Also they do make a rail bender for complete track.....unfortunatly only in 45mm gauge.

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Postby Will Vale » Sun May 02, 2010 8:37 am

+1 for the glasses tip. Although mine are only plus 1.5, it makes a huge difference.
gnichols wrote:Too bad they don't make a rail bender that works on manufactured track so you would not have to remove the rail from the ties!

You can bend commercial flex track and re-insert the rail into the sleeper base, so you don't have to hand-lay. I've done this with code 100 (On30) and code 80 (OO9 track used for O9) track although not for quite such tiny radii. The code 100 went down to ~6" radius, and the code 80 to just under 4".

No real technique to it - pull the rail out of the sleeper base and run it carefully between thumb and forefinger while pulling to one side, like curling a strip of paper with scissors. You may want to wrap a slip of card or something around it to stop the rail web from cutting your thumb though!

The more pressure and the more passes, the tighter it gets. I drew a circle of the desired radius on the layout and checked the rail against it every so often. Bend a bit more than you need since it's hard to get a clean curve on the last couple of inches at each end.

When you're done, thread the sleeper base back on to the rail, cutting the web underneath as necessary - usually on the outside - to allow the sleepers to sit nicely.

Vaguely relevant picture here:

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=5740

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Sun May 02, 2010 8:45 am

:lol: That method, and final result, was enough to get an award at the 2010 Model Railway Convention for Will. You can get a good result with the last few inches by using two pair of pliers, rather than your fingers.
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Postby gnichols » Sun May 02, 2010 9:16 am

Will and Gavin,
I will give this a try... but... I'm sure you have seen how tiny the "spike" heads are on Micro Engineering track, eh? I suspect it won't be easy to get this stuff back together. But I have a short section I can sacrivice for a test. Thanx, Gary

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Postby Will Vale » Sun May 02, 2010 10:43 pm

Thanks for the pliers tip and the kind words Gavin! :oops:

Gary, I take your point about the finer track - I think the Peco track I was using is reasonably robust although I'm sure I broke a chair or two. It helps a lot to file a bevel onto the end of the rail you're going to feed into the sleepers - makes a big difference.

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Mon May 03, 2010 11:59 pm

gnichols wrote:Gavin,
BTW, I still have a pair of TUI socks some of the "beer girls" gave us one evening at a pub in Sydney. Good stuff, TUI. Gary


:shock: Have you noticed my Avatar.... that's the Tui Brewery in the background :!:
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Fri May 14, 2010 7:38 am

:roll: :roll: Ahh, ... so that's what's in the little shed at Haywards.


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What you can't see, is the toilet roll on the wall. :oops:
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Postby Imagineering » Fri May 14, 2010 10:01 pm

Gavin Sowry wrote::roll: :roll: Ahh, ... so that's what's in the little shed at Haywards.


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What you can't see, is the toilet roll on the wall. :oops:



I thought that he was suffering from two too many Tui's.
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Postby DCRfan » Fri May 14, 2010 11:28 pm

Imagineering wrote:I thought that he was suffering from two too many Tui's.


Nah, he's a Jap motorbike fan and he has just been told he has to ride the cream thing to the left

Actually to make the layout more prototypical where is the pool of oil under the British bike :P
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Sat May 15, 2010 7:52 am

DCRfan wrote:
Imagineering wrote:I thought that he was suffering from two too many Tui's.


Nah, he's a Jap motorbike fan and he has just been told he has to ride the cream thing to the left

Actually to make the layout more prototypical where is the pool of oil under the British bike :P


:shock: British? It's a Frog bike... I can't spell the long version of Pug! Truth be known,he's a Harley fan (you've seen my cap, and Black Hills Rally flag on the garage wall). Incidently, the supply of 1:24 bikes has dried up, plenty of 1:18's about though.
BTW, Carl's latest epistle is just out, again featuring the works of some rather dubious characters in Godzone.... and even the Aussies sneak in with a contribution from the Prof.
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Thu May 27, 2010 8:17 am

:D Sun shine through the window shows up the Haywards lads at work.

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and another 'calender' backdrop

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Sun May 30, 2010 8:36 pm

:shock: Last posting has been edited..... the Workshop pic is now the 'original', I had played around with settings, but I don't think it improved the scene, so the original is now back up, with an additional cameo thrown in for good measure. Enjoy 8)
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Postby DCRfan » Mon May 31, 2010 6:36 am

The rain forest backdrop certainly changes the whole feeling.
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Postby chris69 » Mon May 31, 2010 7:08 am

I agree with Paul,
but a monkey or dino should be hiding in the weeds.

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Postby DCRfan » Mon May 31, 2010 7:22 am

chris69 wrote:I agree with Paul,
but a monkey or dino should be hiding in the weeds.

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Postby JackBlack » Mon May 31, 2010 9:23 am

Just asking Gavin, why did you make your layout so basic??
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Postby chris69 » Mon May 31, 2010 4:28 pm

Didn't you gnow what's in the hoppers -Dino Do Do :P[/quote]

that's why the plants do so well.

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Mon May 31, 2010 7:48 pm

JackBlack wrote:Just asking Gavin, why did you make your layout so basic??


:roll: Why did the chicken cross the road?
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Postby skylon » Mon May 31, 2010 8:11 pm

I can't speak for Gavin, but when I build a layout, the running of trains is usually not at the forefront of my mind, an aside you could even say. The real fun is trying new techniques, planning, building, scenicking.

Anyway, love the workshop scene. real atmosphere to it.
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Mon May 31, 2010 8:46 pm

:? When you build to 'show' at exhibitions, you just can't beat the 'set it going, and walk away' approach, believe me... I've been exhibiting for 45 years, and tried all the variations of layouts. Shunting may be fun, but it sure plays hell with your feet and back after 2 days. The continuous run, for exhibitions, allows me to ...'Paul, keep an eye on that, I'm off for a wander'. Works two ways though, amazing how many layouts of this type you can 'control' on your own. There are three of us Gn15ers that regularly exhibit up to 7 layouts all together, and can leave one person in charge. Off you go 'socialising'...hey meet Paul, he's from our group. Oh, and here's Will too.... Oi, who's running the layouts? :shock:
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