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2007 model challenge

Postby michael » Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:08 am

Happy new year every one, Here is the challenge for the coming year.

2007 model challenge
Build a layout using paper products for baseboard and buildings

[1] Maximum area of model 576 square inches.(as per Carl's definition of a micro layout)

[2] Max length including any fiddle area or hidden trackage for the 576 square inches of layout. The layout can be no longer than 72" in other words the longest section is 72" This would allow a layout to be 72" x8" or 48"x 12" or 36"x 16" or 48" x 6" by 48" x 6 7/8ths". and all the other combinations within that parameter. The other parameter would be no more than 48" x 48" in total floor or tabletop area. This gives a lot of flexibility.

[3] Layout doesn't have to operate (how would you Gnow anyhow).

[4] finishing layout detail items can be of builder's choice.

[5] open to all Gn15 forum members including the 09 and Gnine sections.

[6] deadline for photo submissions dec 15 2007

The first second and third prizes will be determined again by veiwer submissions.

Prizes

1st prize Locomotive from Macton locomotive Works

2nd prize Choice of locomotive kit from Steve Bennett

3rd Prize coach from Jim Snee.

Again I will not be submitting an entry to the challenge but will hopefully contribute to the process by sharing some of my work and ideas.

I hope that this will induce some fun and provide a great set of layouts to enjoy next christmas.

Please don't be shy about sharing your progress thoughout the year.

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:51 am

:roll: :roll: :roll: How thick is paper, before it is defined as card, or is card included as a paper product? :?: :?: :?:
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Postby DCRfan » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:29 am

And whats all this inches stuff, don't you know the majority of the world use metric :lol: :lol:

A layout 216 barley corns long :?: :?: :?: (An inch is the length of three dry, round barley corns laid end to end, by pronouncement of King Edward II)

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Postby michael » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:30 am

A paper product that that is at least three sheets to the wind could be considered card :twisted: :roll: :wink:
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Postby michael » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:38 am

And whats all this inches stuff, don't you know the majority of the world use metric


fo those of you that might need some help with the math may I offer you

http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm

I grew up on cubits an sticks an bits of string, an' I sorted it out. :twisted: :wink: :lol:

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Postby DCRfan » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:36 am

michael wrote:
And whats all this inches stuff, don't you know the majority of the world use metric


fo those of you that might need some help with the math may I offer you

http://www.worldwidemetric.com/metcal.htm

I grew up on cubits an sticks an bits of string, an' I sorted it out. :twisted: :wink: :lol:

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Layout size expressed as cubits now that would be different but is that an Ancient, Roman, Egyptian or Royal cubit :?:

Google tells me they are all sightly different.

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Postby kweitzel » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:46 am

Hmmm ... if I'd have known this before, my Dad wouldn't have gotten the start of a Diorama for Christmas ...

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But ... anyway, It's not a railway based diorama ... check it out in my blog ... ;-)
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Postby AndyA » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:50 am

That's a neat idea.

It does resolve one conflict for me over the coming year: although we're using card for the baseboards and building shells for Breakwater Point (of which more elsewhere), the building designs revolve around wood (coffee stirer) cladding, so on or about December 1 2007 I frantically start building the Flemish Twig, using all the lessons learned during the year. This will be submitted unfinished and lead to major surgery on the also-still-unfinished Breakwater Point (more on this elsewhere) :).

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Postby learningtobelost2 » Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:10 pm

Ok, pending an 'offical' stance on what "paper products" actually covers count me in ;)

Does the term paper products encompass cardboard if not at what thickness does paper count as card?
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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:14 pm

learningtobelost2 wrote:Ok, pending an 'offical' stance on what "paper products" actually covers count me in ;)

Does the term paper products encompass cardboard if not at what thickness does paper count as card?


Yes, cardboard does count as a paper product, so no problem using it.
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Postby John » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:08 pm

Great idea Michael, now I gnow what to do with some of the chirstmas cardboard I haven't taken to the recycle!

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Postby Peter » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:21 pm

Micheal, is paper mache an allowable building material for the building?
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:08 pm

Peter wrote:Micheal, is paper mache an allowable building material for the building?


Why Gnot it's basically paper and Cardboard probably has as much glue in it as the papier-mâché has flour and don't forget the salt :wink:
I know many have a yen for boats on layouts so here's a link to a seriously large papier-mâché Narrow Boat (5' long):
http://www.shilbo.com/narrowboat.html
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Postby Catweasel » Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:21 pm

:twisted: Surley by extension,ply will count wouldn't it? It is,after all,merely unprocessed paper.
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Postby michael » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:30 pm

Some clarification
measuring system.....if you want to use broken watch straps go for it I prefer sticks with scratches an consistent intervals.

structural materials

Cardboard .............in :)
paper mache...........in :)
tissue paper ..........in :)
crepe paper ..........in :)
cereal boxes .........in :)
card packaging ......in :)
crumpled computer paper exams ...in :shock:
corrugated card .....in :)
expensive velum writing paper..... in 8)
card playing cards ......in (just make sure they don't tumble) :roll:
plys of card ......in :)

dress up materials added as decore to outsides of base and models
anything........in :)

prohibited sctuctural materials

anything that is not a paper/card product. :cry:

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Postby ian holmes » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:42 pm

This is so tempting...
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Postby michael » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:47 pm

Ian you are half way there :!: :!: :!:

You can do it :) plus it will become a great excuse ("well dear........ I have to get it finished by dec 15 2007"........."Oh ok then")

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby ian holmes » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:49 pm

At least I don't have to build a paper locomotive and rolling stock.
Do I?...

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Postby michael » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:53 pm

Absolutely not :!:

They would not be considered structural, those are the essential accessories. :) if tey actually move all the better :twisted: :roll:

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Postby Anonymous » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:55 pm

Ok, count me in.

Now is "baseboard" the same as frame? I would use pink foam or the like for my layout frame.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:57 pm

I suppose before Jim or Christoph start trying to electrify paper trackwork :) , we had better say that the track doesnt have to be paper :) , though I'm sure one of them will try :) .
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Postby Peter » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:59 pm

Now is "baseboard" the same as frame? I would use pink foam or the like for my layout frame.
Baseboard and frame are exactly the same thing. Though it is interesting when you speak of the language gap between nations, I've always used baseboard and I've lived in New York City my whole life.
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Postby KEG » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:13 pm

Hi,

could you please give the dimensions for the German participants in our local measurements. For those of us, which are not familiar with millimeters, meters and Zolls (inches)

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I´d prefer the Prussian Foot (31,385 cm). I really wonder, how they ever got the early English made locos on Bavarian or Saxon tracks.

Can I use up my old Egyptian papyros with the hyroglyphs on them for the challenge? Can´t read a word of it anyway.

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Postby michael » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:13 pm

Someone told me there would be a lot of clarfication type questions at the start :!:

Peter is correct baseboard and frame would be considered the same thing.
rigid polyurethane foam or any of the expanded foams would not be considered a card/paper product.

A couple of layers of corrugated card would be much stronger than foam in my opinion and a coat of shellac or paint would gaurd against moisture.

Frame or baseboard are the supporting structure and must be made of some form of paper/card combination to qualify.

decoration on top of the frame or baseboard can be any material as long as it is an add on to a sub structure of paper /card.
Steve is correct that the operational side of the layout would be the normal items of track and rolling stock. If one wanted to build everything out of paper/card that is your choice, I would think it would make the challenge that more challenging, but certainly not necessary.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:44 pm

KEG wrote:could you please give the dimensions for the German participants in our local measurements. For those of us, which are not familiar with millimeters, meters and Zolls (inches).


I'm probably wrong here, but I make it 365 square centimeters or .365 of a square meter.

KEG wrote:I´d prefer the Prussian Foot (31,385 cm). I really wonder, how they ever got the early English made locos on Bavarian or Saxon tracks.


That figures, the Prussian foot is longer than the Imperial which works out at 30.48 cm, I'm not even going to try to work out how much extra space the Prussian foot would give you :lol:
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