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Postby Rockley Bottom » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:37 pm

Hi Mike
Will sort out some bits and pieces and photograph them in a day or so

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:13 pm

Hi Mike

Thought I would alter a chassis a little to make it a " mark 2" frame and style of axle box. If it would help, I will document what I do.

This is the progress so far. I took a cast chassis and added strips of plastic to make it look like a shalllow channel.I am changing the axle boxes to a different style, it could be a more modern style with roller bearings or needle bearings.

I will spray the chassis with primer and add a box around it ready for making a silicon mold. The other is the cover for the hole that will be drilled through the axle box to take the bearings.
I have already put a box round it and will give it a spray of primer as well.

I have already made a new jig for drilling the axle boxes for the slightly wider chassis

New chassis and cover
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New chassis showing plastic strip (needs final finish)
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:24 pm

Latest stock on standard chassis.

The shed covered wagon
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Metal flat (with diamond pattern, Honest :!: :!: )With separate drum stand

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Timber flat on a woodern frame

All in the resin

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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:41 pm

That box van looks terrific Ralph :D Is it based on any prototype in particular, or is it meant to be a "Professional Self-Build" by the Company?

One more question (always with the questions! :roll: ) is there room on the chassis to carry two drums on a double yoke?
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:53 pm

Hi Barry

The shed is free lance so was built "in House". I have five and Pat has one for her garden,it will probably be a garden shed on a base.

Yes it will take two drums sise-by-side on a double stand, but the single stands are too big to get two of them on the flat

See you soon

Any use for a shed :?:
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Postby Glen A » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:02 pm

Thanks for those photos Ralph.

What sort of resin do you use? The only time I have done casting, the end result was a semi-clear colour (not white like your's), and with lots of air bubbles in it :cry:

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:19 pm

Hi all
here are two drums on my wagon, sounds like a music-hall song :!: :!:

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Postby andrew milner » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:24 pm

with no support.. "they'll be rollin' along" :D
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:28 pm

Hi Glen

The resin I use is a two part mix 50/50 mix

It is RAKU=TOOL PH=3970 ISOCYANAT

iT IS A GERMAN PRODUCT
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:32 pm

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Put you faith in blue= tac fellow :!: :!:

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Postby scott b » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:50 pm

Very nice Ralph, I`ve been watching this thread with interest, I like how you`ve done that casting and the strip aroung the edge looks great. I`ve been doing mine with separate journals but yours work out better and would be a faster easier build once cast. Back to the work bench for me.
All the different versions look great I like the rolling shed as well.

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:26 pm

Hi Scott
The use of separate axle boxes is fine for me in even larger scales such as 7/8 scale. I could use a jig to get them square on the chassis ans use full size nuts and bolts.

The chassis with blind axle boxes works well for me know that I have got the knack of producing an accurate jig for drilling holes.
The cover plates hide any little out of line drilling and all is well so long as the axles are parallel to the chassis and all four sit on the track. I can also ease the top hat bearings in or out to get the axles running sweetly without "slop" and the wheels do not drop out when I drop a wagon on the floor :) :)

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:36 am

Hi all.

In Holland, a few years ago, I saw a flat used as a works trolly, (I have a picture some where). On the trolly in a rack were the usual hand and mechanical tools and two gas cylinders on a frame to keep them up-right and secure.

I wonder if anybody has any info. on sizes, proportions etc. and pictures of the various cylinders used and of the guages and conectors on the top to attach the pipes to :?: :?:

Cheers every body

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May have to make a low sided wagon with hinged drop side, one thing leads to another :!: :!: I am pleased to say.

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:06 pm

Hi Glen

The resin bottles in person

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:19 pm

Found the picture of the works trolley I took in Holland
I did not take a picture of the other side of the wagon with the bottles visible. I took it in the days of film :!:

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:53 am

Saw these at the BVR . Three different types of wheel.
Two types on bogies and one on a flat

The bogies show the possible variation possible in size of wheel used on the same line and the use of simple unbraked and complex braked bogies.

I do not think I will make a fully working braked one :)


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Postby Rockley Bottom » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:24 pm

Working out the design for the shed trucks. They are made to move mushrooms from the old mine workings to the dock-side

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These will be produced as transfers,decals, to be applied when the wagons are painted

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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:40 pm

I like that Ralph, nice simple and effective design, should look great.
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:12 am

Hi Steve
Dropping down in size from 8inches x8inches to fit the van ment that a lot of detail would be lost in anything too complicated.

I remember some UK stamp designs that showed large scale paintings on them failling to make an impact because of the reduction in size loosing all their impact

Have to work on a colour scheme for the vans. how about the colour of mushroom soup :wink:

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Postby Glen A » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:22 am

How about some sort of 'perishable' symbol on the end of the van?
After all mushrooms are suppose to be kept cool, and I imagine that corrugated iron van would heat up quite quick in the sun (unless you have put insulation inside :wink: )

But then I went and found what the international symbol for perishable was, and it is far to complex to handle being printed small:
www.barcodediscount.com/images/models/l ... shable.jpg
so just ignore all of that.

Nice logo though

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Postby Mike Lee » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:12 am

Ralph

Thanks once again :D :D Superb modelling. I like the axel boxes on the shed covered van and the metal & timber flats :idea: :idea: Keep up the good work.

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:09 pm

Glen
Got the label (many thanks :!: ) down to this size and it may still be a little large to be scale.

Any smaller I think as you say, it would just be a blob.
As the vans are ment for the 1930's I would think the only notice may be the word perishable on the door some where. The label may be a liitle too recent for the line.
Could produce a red lettered label saying "perishable goods" on a white ground to represent the typical pasted on flyers used by railways.
I may add vents to the ends of the vans as on main line fruit vans.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:52 pm

Rockley Bottom wrote:Could produce a red lettered label saying "perishable goods" on a white ground to represent the typical pasted on flyers used by railways.


Not sure you really need that Ralph, the length of time that anything would likely be inside it, would be pretty short, due to the distances that are involved with 15" lines. About the only markings, other than to identify it, would more likely be along the lines of warnings to not use for certain products, or that it is only suitable for specific items. Just for example, you wouldnt carry food items in an explosives van, or you wouldnt want anything else placed in something like a fish van :) .
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:53 pm

Hi Steve

You are spot on, it is not as if these products would be left in sidings awaiting for a train to be made up for a specific destination.

I would have thought that (if they ever existed on NG lines) such wagons would be owned by the firm that produced the goods. A lot of pits owned their own wagons ( I know there were common user ones as well) and firms such as Saxa salt were one product wagons.

Its all good fun
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P.S. Did any vans under 2foot gauge have roof vents :?: :?

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Postby scott b » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:07 pm

I really like that one Ralph it seems like something one would see in France, I guess the corragated panels look like some panel truck I have seen.
Steve said "you wouldnt carry food items in an explosives van" although Steve I have had some food that have perhaps should have been :wink:

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