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Postby Ian-IoM » Thu May 31, 2012 7:06 am

Thanks Steve,

You're probably right that the layers wouldn't be so noticable as part of a scene, isolated close ups aren't very forgiving. (I have smoothed out the seam on rolled paper tube before by hardening with superglue and filing to feather the edge, perhaps that would work here too although it would be a bit fiddly on the tapered shape.)

I'll have a play with the book idea, to be honest I've never tried "printies" in model making but I'm reasonably familiar with Paintshop so I'll have a go. Some reading matter for the tiolet perhaps :roll:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu May 31, 2012 12:07 pm

Just to show that mine are just as bad :lol: here is a cruel close-up of a couple of my bottles.

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Depending on how big a diameter you can fit in a minidrill, thats probably the easiest way to smooth them off, using a rounded file against them, then finish up with fine sandpaper. Surprisingly, I find a piece of hard card or mountboard works well to add a final polish.
Unless they are going to be viewed really closely though, is it really worth it :wink:

Back to the books, after posting the links to those printies, I realised that I had not tried them, so having suggested them, thought I had better correct that :)

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I think there are 6 different covers here, though I forgot to check while I was putting them in the bookcase :roll:
The largest are just over 12mm high, so about the size of a larger text book or encyclodedia.
To wrap them around, I used 2 different thickness of card, some 2mm thick grey construction board and the others using mountboard, which is about 1.5mm thick. A tip here, apply PVA to the card insert only and just a thin smear, you dont want the paper picking up too much moisture from the glue, as it will effect the ink. Also dont apply the glue to the spine of the book, just on the flat faces of the card.
Making these could best be described as fiddly, but it is quite relaxing and if you make a whole bunch, while you have all the tools and materials in front of you, you can store the extras for future projects. Thats how they found there way into that first shelf unit, they were not made specifically for it.

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Postby Ian-IoM » Thu May 31, 2012 1:48 pm

Thanks Steve, those look good.

Perfect timing actually, we're off on holiday soon so I've printed a selection from that printies site... I just need to sneak them into the suitcase along with some card and glue and I'll have something to do in the caravan :D
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Postby Moronguhl » Thu May 31, 2012 2:30 pm

Steve Bennett wrote:To wrap them around, I used 2 different thickness of card, some 2mm thick grey construction board and the others using mountboard, which is about 1.5mm thick.


By grey construction board, do you mean this stuff: http://www.greatart.co.uk/GREYBOARD-mountboard.htm

I picked up some in my local art shop to prototype a train themed boardgame. It's great stuff, very strong and stiff and would be perfect for whenever you need something a bit sturdier for mountboard. Basically it's a cardboard version of MDF, lots of bits stuck together.

It's tough to cut, but worth it.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu May 31, 2012 3:11 pm

Moronguhl wrote:By grey construction board, do you mean this stuff: http://www.greatart.co.uk/GREYBOARD-mountboard.htm


I dont think it as well finished as that one Christian, this one is probably closer
http://www.greatart.co.uk/CLAIREFONTAIN ... tboard.htm

It's definately made from recycled paper, as I sometimes find bits of staples embedded in it :roll: I aquired a whole load of it about 20 years ago, it was used as packing for paper but too good to throw away, so I found a home for it :wink: Getting a bit low on the 2mm sheets now, but have loads of 1mm pieces left, though thats not quite so useful.
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Postby Moronguhl » Thu May 31, 2012 3:30 pm

Steve Bennett wrote:I dont think it as well finished as that one Christian, this one is probably closer
http://www.greatart.co.uk/CLAIREFONTAIN ... tboard.htm


Ah yep that's the one, looks more like it. I reckon that could be sturdy enough for baseboard edging too possibly. I'll investigate!
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:17 am

Moronguhl wrote:Ah yep that's the one, looks more like it. I reckon that could be sturdy enough for baseboard edging too possibly. I'll investigate!


If you want to use it to protect the edge of a sheet of foam, then yes, it should be suitable. Just dont get it wet :)
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Postby KEG » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:51 am

Thanks for the link of the downloadable books. I always need some more for the local Gn15 library



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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:13 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: Only you Juergen would have a mobile Gn15 library :D
Not sure how I missed your response, but glad you found the links useful.

Of course, you dont really need to rely on others artwork to create books, it's really not that difficult to create your own.
I had a go and some with more of a railway feel to them. The hardest part was getting the sizing for printing how I wanted.
Here you can see them propped up against the base of the bookcase:

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And a rather cruel closer view:

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Another bit of fun that I just finished in paper are these boxes.

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Just a bit of a novelty to put on ebay, if I dont get locked up in the asylum first :wink:
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Postby KEG » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:17 pm

The Fantasy-Role Players seem to need books as well, here and then
http://gidian-gelaende.de/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=795&p=20144&hilit=B%C3%BCcher#p20144

They build them from suitable clay or Fimo. If you want to loose your brain completly, look at this (long) thread http://gidian-gelaende.de/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1345&start=105

This lady is working on a labyrinth after a Walter Moers book (
Stadt der traeumenden Bücher)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_of_Dreaming_Books

the autor mentions an underground railway built ages ago by the "Rusty Gnomes"

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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:13 pm

:shock:
Think I will stick to just a few paper books for adding a bit of detail. Making that many would be Gnuts :lol:
I do like the underground railway idea though and it would be a perfect subject for your style of modelling.
Now if I take an APA box and fill it with book cases, how many would it take to fill it :?: No, No, No, stop right now........... :lol:
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Postby KEG » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:07 pm

Well, I tried book transports in my underground APA boxes earlier this year: http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?p=102079#102079

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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:27 pm

Had forgotten that one :roll:
It's good, I dont need to think about it now, as you have already done it :lol:
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:56 pm

Steve Bennett wrote:... have already done it :lol:
that's a thing about here, so many inventive and creative people that eventually, say 384 years or so, everything that can be done will have been done.
Oh well, no biggie, this crowd is perfectly capable of inventing new things to do :lol:
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Postby KEG » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:43 pm

Those books in the shelf and the cans in boxes look incredible.
Hope the Ebay prices will go through the sky.

I do not need shelfs for my boxes. Cn alwys use them to replace a broken leg of a chair.

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As a matter of fact, I have about 6.000 books but not shelves all over my place.- After all, who´d lend me shelf?

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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:50 pm

KEG wrote:Those books in the shelf and the cans in boxes look incredible.
Hope the Ebay prices will go through the sky.


:lol: Thanks. Yes my ebay page is looking quite colourful for a change :)
Catches the eye a bit more than the normal rust and grime :wink:

Great picture with the books under the chair, must remember that for putting into a scene sometime.
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Postby Mark Goodwin » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:49 pm

Steve,

I like seeing your products on e bay - :D any chance of putting your whole range of beautiful castings (09 and others) to bring them to the attention of a wider audience :?:

I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra to cover e bay costs in exchange for the convienience of being able to purchase. :shock:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:36 pm

Mark Goodwin wrote:I like seeing your products on e bay - :D any chance of putting your whole range of beautiful castings (09 and others) to bring them to the attention of a wider audience :?:


Unlikely Mark, I would have to set up a proper ebay shop for that and the costs that entails, it just wouldnt be viable for the amount I would be likely to sell. Thats the problem with a very niche market, the overheads can really eat into any profit, which isnt great in the first place.
It's just handmade and finished items that will be appearing on the evil bay for the present at least.

I do need to do a revamp of Pepper7, but it's a question of finding the time.
Almost everything that is in continuous production is on there, but I hope to add a new section for short run or limited items soon.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:22 am

The subject of using scavenged items for flower pots came up on another THREAD
Though the picture shows pretty much the whole process, I thought I would add a bit more detail on here :roll: Then at least I will be able to find it again :lol:
So here is the subject:

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I use loads of these really cheap bottles of superglue, so have quite a good supply of empty ones. Anybody who shops in Poundland or 99pence shops will probably recognise them. Crap bottles but the glue is some of the best I have found, far better than the much more expensive branded ones I have tried and it keeps for longer.
Anyway, back to the subject :)
First make sure it is completely empty before removing the nozzle, it's surprising how much can hide in there.
The nozzles on these have a drip ring around the base, which is perfect for getting a flat bottom.
I use a pair of small sidecutters (Xuron) to remove the stem of the nozzle, they are fine enough to get into the middle so the nozzle remains recessed.
A quick rub on a piece of fine emery or sandpaper laid flat on the desk, will help clean off any flash on these cheap polythene items.
Then to painting. For this one I put and old paintbrush into the hole in the base to act as a handle, then a spray with red primer.
This was then followed with a light drybrush of terracotta acrylic to take the edge off the red. Thats it, pot done, takes a couple of minutes.

I guess a quick word on how to fill it might also be useful.
My preferred method is to fill it to a little below the rim with modelling clay, or even blu-tac.
To top this off, a mix of dark brown acrylic paint, mixed with PVA glue, then a sprinkling of dried used tea or coffee grounds for the soil.
Then it is just a question of finding or making some plants to go in it.

Hopefully this will be of use to some of you, or even inspire other ideas.
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Postby KEG » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:27 am

Really like the little birds, I dont suppose you remember where they come from


I cut the birds from LEMAX Figures scenes. The have an old lady feeding birds. The resin they are using is very brittle, but if you heat it in the oven
( 70 - 90 Degresse Celsius) it becomes soft and I can cut it with a sharp knife.

They also sell sets with local and exotic birds.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lemax-Heimische-Vogel-Modelleisenbahn-/320915357486?pt=DE_Haus_Garten_Dekoration_JahresezeitlicheDekoration&hash=item4ab80bbf2e

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They don´ t give a scale for their figures, but they seem to be about 1 : 27 / 29.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:33 am

Thanks Juergen, very useful.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:13 pm

A couple of references have been made in other threads about a bark that I discovered at a show on sunday. Not on sale in the show, I found this when I sneaked outside for a quick smoke :)
So I thought I had better do a quick report.
Here is the bark he is referring to:

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It is from what I know as a Yucca, often mistakenly called a Yucca Palm, it's not a palm and has different growing characteristics. I think in the US, it might be known as a Joshua Tree, but I'm ready to be corrected here.
This shrub is often grown as an ornamental plant and certainly here in the UK, is probably better known as a houseplant.
Anyway, these were growing outside in the grounds of the hotel the exhibition was held in. The stems which normally only have leaves at the very end (a bit like a palm) had obviously got too high on these and the tops had been cut off, which stimulates growth from the base of the plant. The old stems are left in place while the new growth develops, gradually dying back. It is from these old stems that the bark was just falling off, so I had to collect a few bits :lol:

Here is a closer view of one of the smaller pieces, which I thought would look good as rocks.

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There is hardly any weight to this materal and it is hollow on the back. I suppose the depth is about 12mm or half an inch, possibly a little more, the fissures in the larger sheets are about the same depth.
The chances of finding something like this are probably quite remote, it really was a chance find, but maybe somebody will find this useful.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:04 am

Have been having a play with making some grass clumps and the experimenting led to some interesting results, which I dont think I have seen written up anywhere before.

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The ones on the right here are done in the conventional way, with dots of PVA glue applied to a piece of waxed paper. Nothing new there and they have their uses, but I felt lacked a bit of bulk, so this led to the ones on the left.
For these I mixed up dilute PVA with a couple of different kinds of ground foam, so it was really wet. Then dots of this applied to the wax paper, before applying the static grass.
This was much more the effect I was looking for.

Here is a pic of some placed on a quick test piece of ground and mixed with some static grass applied directly to the ground. The clumps have not been stuck down, so they may not look fully bedded in yet, but I think this method shows that this could be a useful method.

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:28 am

Steve Bennett wrote:Have been having a play with making some grass clumps and the experimenting led to some interesting results, which I dont think I have seen written up anywhere before.


Certainly worth trying, whose grass did you use Steve :?:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:02 am

Gerry Bullock wrote:Certainly worth trying, whose grass did you use Steve :?:


Will have to dig out the details, it came from one of the wargames suppliers on fleabay, it was the cheapest I could find to have a play with :wink:
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