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How to make static grass applicator please?

Postby andrew milner » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:12 am

On the latest MR e-mail there is a bit on how to use the Noch static grass applicator. They mention that they actually used a home made version, so anyone got plans/instructions? I've got a tea strainer, 9v battery and insulating tape......... :D (and no £100+) :shock:
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Postby calme1952 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:39 am

Hello,

I found this :

http://atw.huebsch.at/Elektronik/Elektrostat.htm

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Postby dr5euss » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:40 am

Andrew, Noch do a 'puffer bottle' for £3.50 which gets just as good a results as the 'Grasmaster' thing.

You can also use a talc bottle, but don't overfill them past the halfway mark because thr static grass had to rub around inside to get charged up.

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Postby andrew milner » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:51 am

calme1952 wrote:Hello,

I found this :

http://atw.huebsch.at/Elektronik/Elektrostat.htm

Best regards

HENRY Gerard


5500v through a tea strainer!!! Think I'll try the puffer bottle! Thanks for the info. gang :D
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Postby AndyA » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:58 am

5500v through a tea strainer!!!


But Andrew, it's perfectly YYYEEEOOOWCH! :twisted: :D

(Just for the record, the English link to the layout build-up is broken. The German one works, though. Interesting. Ingenious use of a static display loco outside the station as a programming track.)

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Postby calme1952 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:05 pm

5500v through a tea strainer!!!


Hello,
More about high voltage and lot of sparks :D :D :D :D ,
have a look at the videos :roll: :roll:

http://205.243.100.155/frames/longarc.htm

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Postby ed » Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:18 pm

take an electronic flyswatter, connect it to your tea streaner and it will be less then 5 bucks....

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Postby Dave Westall » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:14 pm

5500v through a tea strainer


The mere thought makes my hair stand on end , never mind the ruddy grass :shock:
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:18 pm

Dave Westall wrote:
5500v through a tea strainer


The mere thought makes my hair stand on end , never mind the ruddy grass :shock:


132kV makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up if I work for any length of time near it 8)
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Postby Will Vale » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:35 am

I know this is an old thread, but I built a high voltage tea-strainer this afternoon following this article on the County Gate site:

http://www.009.cd2.com/flyswat.htm

I was inspired by some of the pictures in old electronic copies of 220 Das Journal (http://www.220dasjournal.de/) where there is some very nice static grass on a Z diorama. If anyone else fancies trying it it was cheap, easy, and you can do a neater job (no glue) than the article suggests if you pick the right shape of tea strainer for the swat handle. I was able to trim the strainer and use suitable holes and part of the swat's head to fix it firmly using only the existing mountings - it means I can take it apart again if necessary, and I didn't have to fill the end with epoxy :)

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The swat I found is quite well made, mostly assembled with screws so easy to dismantle and reassemble. I had to break a couple of glue bonds to get the racket-head out of the handle, that was about all. The circuit sensibly has a resistor across the output capacitor so it can discharge when you turn it off - if you follow the tips in the original article for a high power version you lose this, hence the need to discharge it manually.

I did a couple of tests, and while I'm not mad about the colour of the cheap Jordan fibres it doesn't look too bad.

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I noted Steve's advice about keeping the fibres out of motors, I'll be taking care, thanks! Hopefully I can show some in-scene results fairly soon.

Cheers,

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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:49 am

Great link Will, thanks :D
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Postby Stu » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:20 am

Much better than 5500v through a tea strainer!!!

Nice find! 8)
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:56 am

good link, now bookmarked. checked other pages, one NOT for cat lovers :lol:
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Postby Will Vale » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:14 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote:checked other pages, one NOT for cat lovers :lol:


I'd forgotten about that - we were laughing about it the other night. Great use of Photoshop/green dye :P

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Postby jeffb » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:34 pm

For what it's worth, the Noch gun works great... Especially with a new battery, and a few small modifications. It is an expensive tool, but worth it.

I use it predominantly with the 6mm long, beige fibers, and use an acrylic fabric dye to stain them once they are glued down.

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Postby greengiant » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:02 pm

Just by coincidence I have been playing with a Grassmaster today.

I bought one of these.

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and a can of this

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I didn't like the brightness of the standard colours, so mixed up some straw colour fibres, some forest floor and summer grass and got this

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Tried a text piece first

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Before trying it on the layout

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The trick is to make sure that your terrain is undulating where you want mounds of grass to be or you will have a bowling green finish.

I am very impressed with the results that can be acheived with some practice.

The only downside is the cost of the unit, but I bought one on behalf of my local model railway club so that all members can use it :D

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Postby Will Vale » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:50 am

Here's my first effort to compare - I can see that to get something as nice as Martin's work I need to improve the colouring. The Jordan mix looks quite nice under bright light, but is way too garish in natural light. The Woodland Scenics ground foam in the background is a much nicer colour.

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I also thought I'd done a much neater job of rusting the chairs, but the camera never lies! Maybe I need to move down to a size 00 brush.

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Postby Panda » Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:58 pm

that track is brillient, it looks so so good! I use some games workshop static grass sometimes, and that produces a good effect!
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Postby Will Vale » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:44 am

Is the GW stuff good? I've looked at it a couple of times and blenched at the price, as with many of the evil empire's products. Here it costs $17 for a little tub, which is about four times the price of the other static grass I've seen. :shock:

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Postby Panda » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:10 am

Yeah it seems to be very good. It has the added bonus of being able to stain it with the GW inks range once it has been put in place without loseing its static ness! I have to say the last thing i used it on was my brothers warhammer board. It will be on my next layout though. and over here its only £6 for a big tub.




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Postby andrew milner » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:55 am

Thanks Will for the link, I had forgotten this but you may have posted just in time :D
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Postby cookie » Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:40 pm

Hi Andrew

Bit late to the party but is this of any use?

http://racooke.com/

Click on the HOW TO'S link then scroll to the bottom of the page to the Making A Static Grass Applicator section, open pdf file for instructions.

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Postby andrew milner » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:56 am

Never too late Steve! that looks pretty good, and cheap (sorry, inexpensive :D )too!
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Postby Will Vale » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:00 am

That would appear to have a big advantage over the tea-strainer - it has a lid! I tipped all the grass out of mine by accident more than once :)

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Postby jeffb » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:41 pm

John DeFrayssinet (County Gate/OO9) posted another link to his site that covers making a static grass gun from off the shelf electronics parts. This is a different device than the "Electric Flyswat" contraption, and according to those that have built it, it works very well. You will note that the price for all the parts is much less than the Noch tool.

Here's the link:

http://www.009.cd2.com/flyswat2.htm


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