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Postby DCRfan » Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:19 am

An excellent cameo - a Crunchie Bar manfacturing plant :lol: :lol:

The scales really are good. Now you need a wagon with a safe on it.
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Postby Glen A » Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:59 pm

Glue almost dry now (so I can remove the lead weight for a better photo):

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And the motorized chair / speeder / call it what you will is painted.

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I stuck a bit of problem, because I built it on an old dead Gandy Dancer. Then after painting, and trying to fit to the 'good' one, I discovered there is more than one version of them. The difference is they have a slightly different motor casing dimension. Luckily I was able to file out the hole a bit bigger to get it on, (and then repair the damage).

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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:12 am

:lol: Had to laugh at Pauls reference to the Cruchie Bar, not had one for years, but think tomorrow I might put that right :)

Nice little cameo it tells the story very well, even more educating the audience :wink:

Like the little speeder and not surprised about the different motor, they have tried several over the years, so lets hope if you need to replace it in the future, it will fit :)
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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:34 am

Dear Glen,

RE changes in B'mann mechs

Yep, wouldn't be the first time I've obtained a "standard mech" for replacement in a custom kitbashed loco, and found they weren't exactly "standard"
(as a close Pro Audio Technician used to say
"the great thing about standards,
is that there are soooo many to choose from!" :lol: )

Also wouldn't be the first time that I've bought 2 of a given mech,
(particularly if they are cheap and available <right now>,
just so I <knew> I had one guaranteed matching one "up my sleeve" in case of emergencies...

RE LED fire

I'm seeing the clear LED encapsulation in the oven/firebox. Might I suggest a small bed of black ballast/"coal"/'charcoal"/"ash" glued in around it,

or even simpler/easily-reversible-if-not-acceptable
small piece of teased-out cotton wool placed over the LED.

both approaches just help to hide the "business end" of the LED, and thus avoid giving the game away toooo easily... :wink:
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Postby Glen A » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:36 am

Prof Klyzlr wrote:I'm seeing the clear LED encapsulation in the oven/firebox. Might I suggest a small bed of black ballast/"coal"/'charcoal"/"ash" glued in around it,

or even simpler/easily-reversible-if-not-acceptable
small piece of teased-out cotton wool placed over the LED.


Hi Prof,

Yes I will be doing something.
But didn't want to tempt fate and try and put something in there too soon (before the glue was fully dry) and risk bumping it and breaking the glue bond. Thanks for the ideas. I will be sure to try at least some of those.

I am thinking teasted out dakron, spray painted black first. should work like cotton wool, but easier I hope.

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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:39 am

Dear Glen,

Not sure about black,
white cotton wool actually reflects the LED light/colors well, and doen't look "white". I fear Black dacron may absorb the LED light, and thus call attention to itself?

Give both a go, I'm sure you'll find the best solution to suit the situation... :wink:
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Postby Glen A » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:09 am

Progress on the under ground mine:

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:twisted: This should make some of you jealous; notice how I managed to persuade the other half to let me work on it inside on the living room floor.

The down side is work is unexpectedly sending me out of town for two weeks, so I just lost 10 evenings to work on it before the show; its too big to take on the plane with me :wink: :cry:

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Postby DCRfan » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:15 am

Great progress. Pity work intervened :cry: It's frustrating in hotel rooms with nothing to do yet actually having lots to do at home :P
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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:35 am

Dear Glen,

Hotel Room modelling suggestions:

1 - Take measurements of those vertical piles,
stock up on the required "planks",
and built the 'tunnel walls" in sections...

2 - people/figure painting

3 - weathering existing models

4 - prepping/primer-ing/painting detail castings

any "little things" you can get done in the hotel room and then simply "plonk in place" on the layout has got to be of benefit when things get "time critical"... :wink:
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Postby Trevor Coburn » Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:09 am

Few more tips about "Hotel-Room-Modelling"
1) Dont try using soldering iron if there's a smoke detector in the room. (Friend of mine did & caused evacuation of hotel :oops: )
2) Take either higher wattage light bulb or one of those L.E.D powered work reading lights.
3) Dont try taking modelling tools in your "carry-on bag"
4) Resist the temptations of the Minibar :D


As an aside, the week before NarrowGauge SouthWest a few years back, I had to visit the UK Channel Islands, [for work] so as I went in the car I took all the locos with me to give finial pre-show fettle. The day I was supposed to return (Thursday) because of the weather the ferry was cancelled. So I made panic arrangements with one of the operatting team to collect the van on my behalf, collect the layout from its' storage.
He then 'phoned asking for the key, which was on the same key ring as the car keys.(and of course I still had the stock) So that shot that Idea in the foot. Luckily the ferry did sail on the Friday evening (4 hours on a roller coaster) Got home about 4am Saturday of the show, loaded layout and left the house around 6:30. Still feeling rough (I am not a good sailor :evil: )
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Postby Glen A » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:49 am

Back home at last. I was away for 2 weeks, but it seemed like 4.
I've managed to get a few rocks glued in:

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In the foreground is the animated miner (arms move, see previous page for more details).


And I have taken delivery of some miners that were hand made by Dennis Handley here in Christchurch. They will be positioned in the rock cavity sections, once I have finished painted the rocks.
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Postby elcamo » Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:16 pm

AWESOME! :D how is the underground mine going to work? are you going to put the other module on top? or is this section seperate?

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Postby foswaldy13 » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:25 pm

The Miner figures are magnificent.
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:37 am

elcamo wrote:AWESOME! :D how is the underground mine going to work? are you going to put the other module on top? or is this section seperate?


Try Monday August 17. :wink:
Looking great Glen the display height will certainly keep the juniors looking. 8)
So little time, so many ideas!!!!! GerryB.
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Postby elcamo » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:43 am

thanks didnt see that :oops:

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Postby Glen A » Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:04 am

Thanks for repling Gerry. I did post a reply to elcamo, but seems to have gone into cyberspace. :roll:

Now on to the latest progress:
I have got the front board fitted, and it has really changed the look a lot:

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Left hand window:
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Middle window with the miner with moving arms:
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Right hand window:
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I've still got to ballast the track, fit the top, and then work out the lighting.
I am thinking of using lots of small 12volt bulbs.

The head height in the mine is quite high, and that is because of the viewing angle, as the module will be low down.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:35 am

Looks really good Glen, I'm sure it will be popular with the public at shows. The centre window should be very effective with the train only partially visable, well thought out too, with the other two openings showing the train for longer.
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:55 am

Superb Glen, you've a winner there. 8)
One :?: are the cutouts going to be "glazed", very tempting for grubby fingers. :wink:
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Postby eje655 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:35 am

It's funny, but the reason why I found this forum is because I was looking to do exactly what you're doing with your underground layout. I mainly have N scale, but the eyes aren't as great as they use to be. They can be fixed, but like most people, I'm living in denial and holding off until the last minute. I also don't have time to work on a big layout now. I had noticed the Black Dog Mine layout somewhere and thought it was great. But I thought... maybe I could do something like that, only show the cutaway underground section. I also thought about doing a small limestone quarry and passed along the proto idea for Fletcher Granite to the Micro Layout site a couple months back, because I thought it was such a great proto to model. I'm still thinking about doing that one using the Bachman 44 tonner, or maybe making a large scale narrow gauge version.

So anyway... Your underground section looks great so far, and I just wanted to say hi to everybody in general... I've liked looking through all your layouts and other info. It's all very interesting. Never thought I'd ever consider something other than US standard gauge, but here I am.
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Postby scott b » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:14 pm

Very nice, as you see things you want to add you could just make more and stack em!
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Postby Glen A » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:03 pm

Gerry Bullock wrote:Superb Glen, you've a winner there. 8)
One :?: are the cutouts going to be "glazed", very tempting for grubby fingers. :wink:


Thanks for your nice comments everyone.
I should point out the whole idea was 'borrowed' from Nick Wright (thanks Nick! :P ), although it is not up to the standard of his one:
http://www.nickwrightmodelmaker.co.uk/cwmdu_gallery.htm

No it won't be glazed. I have a physical barrier well back from the front. Little people don't have arms long enough to even get close. :wink:
Actually this year I will be using a picket fence that I have just acquired from the same person who built the miners. It was left over from a layout that he exhibited for 20 years and has now been dismantled. I think I almost talked him into to building a Gnine layout.

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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:33 pm

Glen,

Looking Good! Love the "cameo" approach and presentation...
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Postby Dallas_M » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:04 am

Wow! Great addition to an already impressive operation ... agree with others that the little cameo windows are a clever touch ... and the free-form shape of each opening adds to the visual interest. Outstanding. :wink:
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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:22 am

Glen,

Just looked again, are you thinking of adding more "tunnel wall" to the outside of the curve on the LH scene?

The "black" is just a little too "contrasty" for my mind...
(better to add a panel or 2 of "tunnel wall", and have the wall appear to "fade to black",
rather than what appears to be a hard "Wall / Black" hard transition???)

It's dang hard to make any helpful suggestions when it's already <that Good>... :shock: :D
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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:38 am

Glen,

Just thought of something else, what motive power will be used in the tunnels? "Fireproofed" diesel, battery electric, "pit pony"???

Whatever the case, the loco will need some form of horn or siren to let the pitface workers know it's coming thru. This is a classic opportunity for a
- triggerable sound module with suitable horn sound loaded
(the guys on the SoundTraxx list have tewked the cheap "Soundbug" DCC sound decoder, so it can work on regular DC,
can have user-loaded sound files,
and use the "CAM" input as a "play trigger",
Intriguing!!!!

Alternatively, there is always the DreamPlayer... :wink: )

- either build "tunnel reverb" + EQ into the sound file,
or add a cheap music reverb box in circuit
(Editing the file is cheaper by far... :wink: )

- and bury some speakers at either end of the module,
(IE effectively "porting" the sound out the tunnel mouths at either end???)

with some form of basic detection system,
this could automatically "blow the horn" just before the train comes "on scene",

and/or you could do a "John Allen Subway" style gag,
where you trigger the sound manually,
the punters hear the horn,
and start peering into the scenes, expecting a train to appear that never comes.... :evil:

Just thinking out loud...
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