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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:27 pm

Thanks John, good to be back, though not full time quite yet :roll:
Glad that was what you were looking for, I really must find time to do the final few chapters in the Simplicity saga, the work is done, just need to write the words :wink: .
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Postby michael » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:38 am

Steve might I suggest that you submit them to the Tome first :?: when you get around to finishing them up :)
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Postby Cross Kitter » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:39 pm

Hi,

Just a quick post.

I was doing the dutiful son bit by taking my soon to be 80yr old mum shopping in Wadebridge in Cornwall today when she pops into the Cornwall Hospice charity shop and what should be nestling quietly on a shelf, end on, but a three speed fork lift. It said on the box £8 so I thought I'll nab that bargain. Got to the till and it turns out they are having a half price sale for the week!!! :P :P

Now I'm careful with the pennies but even I had to buy some raffle tickets to make it up to £6.

Only trouble now is that I am going to have to shape up and make the Fork Lift powered shunter seen below. :roll:

So what this space guys. If you hear strange sounds late at night it will be me maniacally shaping plasticard. :lol:

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Postby Oztrainz » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:20 pm

Hi all,
the time has come for agnother update and post #500 :shock: - so it might as well be a LOOOONG one - you have been warned :twisted:

First up an overview of where I am at with 4 days to go...
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Here's a birds-eye view with the SuperH palletmover at Bay A
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A closer look at the SuperH awating unloading at Bay A, showing the biff barrier running alongside the SuperH
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Here's the Biff Barrier and SuperH across at Bay B.
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What's a coat of paint between friends :?: :P

Now for a closer look at the landings over the Loading Bays:
First up the Meal Room Landing over Bay A
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And the Office Landing over Bay B with the Road Controller running the sliding doors for the Loading Bays from the control panel. The LED's give a green indication ONLY when the door at that bay is FULLY OPEN.
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Making it all happen are the Sound controller at left, velcro'd to the Train/Door controller and the Randim Load Selector at right indicating a 3 destination for the load.
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The plan is to hold the controllers so that you can drive the sounds as required with the left hand while driving the Loading bay doors or Palletmover with your right hand.


The saga of the sliding doors is now almost complete
First up at look at both of them installed behind the backscene as at this evening.
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Some of the key electronic bits are visible under the layout.
The grey box at the left contains the Dreamplayer with the 4 soundclips loaded. The white MP3 player and the Dream player feed a passive mixer. The green plug is the output from the mixer box that feeds the speakers under the front of the layout. On the far right, behind the blue cable is the red indicator light on the top of the transformer that powers everything that moves.

And finally to close off - a closer look at the door to Bay A from the rear shown as almost open. The white blob is the top of the striker approching the "Door Fully Open" limit switch at the left. The striker for the " Door Fully Closed" passes above the "Door Fully Open" limit switch. It is just visible above the contact arm on the left limit switch.
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I have a sojourn with a soldering iron to straighten up some wiring, add the layout name and we're done :D :D
And I still have a couple of days to go :D :D :D
Here ends my #500.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:48 pm

:shock: All that lectrickery, would give me nightmares :lol:
Looks great John and very different to most layouts around. Hope all goes well at the show and may the gremlins stay away, will keep my fingers crossed for you :wink: .
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Postby Jon Randall » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:55 pm

Congratulations on your 500th post and a superb layout John.
Any chance of a video of it in action sometime, please :?:
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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:00 pm

Dear John,

As one of the Organisers of the Aust NG Convention, it would be highly inappropriate for me to ask for a "gratuity" in trade for a good response to RS&W in the modelling contest... :twisted:

Which is fine because, from what I'm seeing,
RS&W is well-capable of winning the event on it's own merits! :D :D

I love the solution to the door-status issue,
and the door mech looks a treat :wink:

If I can ask, what happened to the Fork tyre marks? IIRC, weren't you thinking about marking up the sawby fork tracks on the concrete floor?

I'm glad to see you're well prep'd for the event,
(Yallah2 should be comparatively easy to get ready for transport... :wink: )

I'll see you onsite on Friday afternoon...
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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:03 pm

Dear Jon R,

We'll have cameras and Video-production gear on hand at the show,
although the layout will be within the Contest Room so "intense operation" will have to be threaded between/thru the regular Convention event schedule.

Let me talk with John G, and we'll see what we can come up with... :-)
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Postby Jon Randall » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:13 pm

Cheers Prof. 8)

A contest :?:
Fingers crossed for a gong, John 8)
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Postby Oztrainz » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:49 pm

Prof Klyzlr wrote:If I can ask, what happened to the Fork tyre marks? IIRC, weren't you thinking about marking up the sawby fork tracks on the concrete floor?


Hey I've still got 4 days left.........
That makes #501 and I Gnow have a D :D
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Postby Glen A » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:25 pm

Hi John,

Looking fabulous. 8) I am sure you can't wait to run it at the show and get all the favorable comments.
4 days left; that is heaps! I built a whole module in 4 days before the last big show.
:idea: Maybe you could mix in a subtle message into your background sound track, "vote for number ##" :lol: :lol:
Good luck :!:

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Postby Oztrainz » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:47 pm

Hi all, a quick update before the RS&W is loaded for the convention -
Forkie tyre marks - done
Layout nameplates - done
Bin numbers on pallet racks - done
door indicator lights - circuit redesigned last night and rewired - done
Loading bay floor markings - done
Parking bay floor markings - done
pallet mover - rechecked and operating fine
forkie - rechecked and operating fine
doors - both working well after the Bay A door jumped its rack - now suitably "restrained" to prevent recurrence and is operating fine.
Door indicator lights now giving the correct GREEN indication only when door is fully open, Otherwise displays red - palletmover is not to approach doors unless GREEN is displayed.
Loads - weighed and only those less than 100g are to be placed in lower racks - 100g+ loads are for display on top rack level. Weights marked on underneath of pallets (so I can check I haven't got any "ring -ins")
Tamiya forkie - lights and all operations checked out OK.
Trouble kit - packed
Rechargeable batteries - charged and ready to go
Standard alkaline batteries - (emergency back-up for forkies) in the pile to load
Sound sequences checked and volume adjusted to a "first guess", will be checked and adjusted when on site.

Time to turn the power off, pack-up the leads and away we go :D :D :D
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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:24 pm

Good luck John, hope it all works well and that you have a good time.
Of course you may have left already, in which case, welcome back :wink:
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Postby Glen A » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:41 pm

And you even had enough spare time to post on here before you go :lol:

Hope the show goes well for you. Looking forward to hearing your result and seeing some pics next week.
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Postby foswaldy13 » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:00 am

I second Glen's Comments. Hope all goes well and the layout demons stay away. I also look forward to seeing some pics of the finished product.
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Postby Oztrainz » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:24 pm

Hi all,
Report back time,
The RS&W was the sole GN15 representative in the contest room. Sorry no photos from me, but I was too busy taking photos of everything else that I missed getting some shots of the RS&W in contest mode.

Unfortunately I was outgunned in the small layout category by 2 superdetailed ON30 layouts and a N-scale UK pier railway :cry:

More unfortunately the layout demons started to appear on arrival :cry: :cry: :cry:
These demons caused:
the door Bay A to fail on Saturday with a fouled limit switch (fixed Saturday night) because something (door or limit switch) had moved in transit.
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the door to Bay B to fail late on Saturday afternoon. At first it was an intermittent fault then became a "terminal" falure with door jammed part way open. This one took most of Saturday night and into Sunday morning to find and was unfixable with the central pin at the control box end of the tether cable parting company with its respective wire. In attempting to fix this early on Sunday morning I accidently reversed pins 3 & 4 which meant that the palletmover now moved the wrong way as indicated on the control box for all Sunday. :oops: :( :o

The layout demons will be exorcised shortly when a new, longer tether cable is made up with the cable at the controlbox end supported by a bracket at the control box. The 2 metre cable seemed to be just a bit too short which may have contributed to the pin failure.

A longer tether cable may also need some support at the layout end as well to prevent stressing that cable/plug interface. The cable clamp at the end of the plug might not be up to the job. :idea: I think I may have something worked out to handle that end as well.

The Randim SeleKtor, SuperH palletmover and the 3-speed forkie performed well and even had a few of the conventioneers greatly entertained when they got hands-on. The Tamiya unit was not required for service on the layout but it also drew some lookers. Random "Crib Breaks" also got their attention.

The sound rig is now decommissioned as it is required on another layout.

All in all a most enjoyable convention. Oh well you can't win'em all.....
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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:11 pm

Good to hear you had an enjoyable weekend John, even if the gremlins did gang up on you :lol: At least you got it to the show, which I'm sure is further than most get :wink: and it sounds like it was far from a complete failure.

Just goes to show, no matter how small a layout, they can still go wrong :roll: and often do.

So when do you start mark2 :lol:
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Postby DCRfan » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:55 am

Glad you had a good time and I trust you captured the Gremlins and securely boxed them up.
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Postby Oztrainz » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:19 am

Oztrainz wrote:Hi all,
Report back time,
The RS&W was the sole GN15 representative in the contest room......


OOPS - Sorry I forgot about a Nellie in amongst the steam locos. :oops:
I'll add a pic to the Nellie thread later tonight.
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Postby commerlad » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:55 am

Sorry Oz but was this you ?

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=5062

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Postby Glen A » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:05 pm

It is quite satisfying when electronics all works well.
But nothing more frustrating than when it doesn’t.
Hope you manage to get it all sorted.

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Postby Oztrainz » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:52 pm

commerlad wrote:Sorry Oz but was this you ?

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=5062

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Naahh, wasn't me. I would have parked it with the other crocks in the middle of the river :!: :!: :shock: :twisted:
Gnot just left it teetering on the edge :wink:
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Postby Oztrainz » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:06 am

Hi all
The RS&W is now back in action after a new longer cable to the control box was made up over the past few days. ( :shock: Can't rush these things) All functions have checked out OK and the doors and the SuperH palletmover are now responding as designed. :D :D :D

Hey Crosskitter, Any progress with your Forkie Shunter?
I have some design suggestions for you:
1 - My feeling is that the forkie will try to climb off the rollers so you will need to hold it down on the shunting platform. This can be done by raising the forks against a bar attached to the wagon floor to lock the forkie into position on the rollers. However this will also tend to raise the back, same as when you try to lift something that is too heavy. You may need to make a an "Z" clip that holds the counterweight end of the forkie to your wagon deck to overcome this. The Z clip could be bolted to the platform foor and pinned to your forkie's counterweight. (hint-remove the seat and battery cover and have a look at the black radiator slots as a possible fixing location - no eletronics under there)
2 - you will need to get the shunting platform wheels out as close to the end of the platform as possible to avoid coupler overhang problems on curves otherwise your forkie shunter will be restricted to operating on straight track only when it is moving stuff. My feeling is that length of the shunting platform with the forkie aboard wiil mean that the Forkie Shunter would be most useful for something like an upsized "Simplicity Sidings" with a straight push. If points are involved, then with GN15 the length of the shunting platform with the forkie aboard will cause excessive coupler swing that will take the couplings outside the rail gauge. This is a receipe for derailments. 32mm or 45mm gauge for the wagons being pushed would probably get around this.
3 - Drive mech suggestion - have a look at having the deck rollers drive a worm. The mating gear then drives a longitudinal shaft under the floor to bevel gears attached to each axle. If you can get hold of something like a dead one of these
http://www.internethobbies.com/bac-16948.html
It should provide most of the bits if you extend the central drive shafts

Unfortunately I can't justify building one myself for the RS&W - with 7 1/2" radius curves and dead-tight doorways the overhang at each end has got me beat for the RS&W.

I hope that this helps.
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Postby Prof Klyzlr » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:00 am

Dear John,

Righto then. When do I start booking shows for the "MicroLayout Anon" display?

Potential inclusions:
- RS&W (with fresh re-wiring and ready for "in the field" testing...)
- Haggis Mine
- Bindle Mine (Gotta get it done)
- a few (G?)Inglenooks of various sizes/scales/gauges
- Dynamite Canyon Tramway
http://www.geocities.com/loggingloco1/dctramway
- Camp 4
http://www.geocities.com/loggingloco1/Camp4
- Knapsack Gully (Geoff N's "pictureframed" pizza)
- Amper Sand
- Yallah 2
- and maybe "Brooklyn"???
(Those last 2 may be pushing the "Micro", but could fit... :wink: )

Hmmm...
Dangerous Thoughts... :twisted:
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Postby Oztrainz » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:39 pm

Hi Prof,
I'm game after the June long weekend. Get Brooklyn's first outing out of the way first... Then we'll see :D :D :D
Yallah and the RS&W both fit in the back of the Commodore wagon OK with room to spare. You'd think they were designed that way. :wink:
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