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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:22 am

More_Cats_Than_Sense wrote:Had to add additional timber strips to the 4'x2' layout frame to bring it up to the same height as Katham House


Golly Barry, looking at that frame - that baby is definitely built to last !
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:09 am

dr5euss wrote:Very interesting Barry 8) I was going to mention a 'master plan' but judging by the extra timber strips I'd say you didn't intend to connect them initially?


Absolutely right George, the 4'x2' layout was suposed to be a self contained unit, but it was built with possible later expansion in mind. It was built to give me a place to run trains and as an location to try things out on. It became apparant fairly quickly that the structures required for it to look as I intended would take quite a while to make, then the things we call "Real Life & Reality" got in the way.

Katham House on the other hand was built as an exhibition layout, and as such it had to be brought to an acceptable stage fairly quickly, and was not originally intended to be expandable. As I was planning and sorting out the trackplan for KH, it was obvious that it needed some form of storage module to be attached, this was then designed to sit behind H&Co. when the two layouts were on the table together. The trackplan for KH originally had a "Dummy" point on it with a stub siding leaving the board at the front at an angle. It was around this time that I had the idea of taking two tracks off of the LH side of KH for future expansion if required, my first thought was to have them off of the RH side, but it was at that point that I realised that if I did that there wasn't any reasonable way to link up with the 4'x2' layout if I ever wanted it to.

The problem I have now is making the two quite different layouts fit together, in particular the area around the join between the 4'x'2 layout and the KH expansion module, mainly in the logic behind the trackplan and the positioning of the buildings. I have some ideas that should explain the strange trackplan, but it does involve some modification of the existing trackplan.
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:19 am

Steve Bennett wrote:Damn, didnt realise you were building the whole estate Barry :lol:
Where is the big house going :) .


Might be on a future module Steve :wink:

I can add/replace modules with different themes, this gives me the oppotunity to change the look of the layout at will, plus the big advantage is I only need to build one module at a time :D :D
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:58 pm

I've been laying track! :D :D

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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:34 am

That gives a nice track plan for a show layout on it's own Barry, I like the idea of 2 continuous runs on the same small layout. Will have to file that idea away for when I get a bigger car :lol: .
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Postby Glen A » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:17 pm

Barry,

I like the way you have configured it, so you can keep extending it depending on the space available.

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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:17 pm

Have managed to do a bit of work on the extension board, been very busy at work last week, and I've got a couple of sick cats, so time has been in short supply.

This is something that needed to be made before I could do much else on the extension board, I'd managed to grab a few minutes here and there during the week to work on it. The Tamiya Tracked Dozer was built as a "filler" in order to get my head in the right place to continue with the point lever frame.

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Only sitting in place at the moment, still needs fixing down and connecting to the points via rodding and angle cranks.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:26 pm

Very neat work Barry, looks like it should be very effective in use. I like the way you recess it in the board surface like that. I presume the old GEM (?) frame is just to get your throw distance sorted :?:
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:57 am

More_Cats_Than_Sense wrote: and I've got a couple of sick cats


Now unfortunately, only one of the cats is sick, the other one (Gismo) will never be ill again :cry:

Steve Bennett wrote:Very neat work Barry, looks like it should be very effective in use. I like the way you recess it in the board surface like that. I presume the old GEM (?) frame is just to get your throw distance sorted :?:


The frame will be inside a building so it won't actually be seen by the public, but recessing it like this makes it easier to get the drive to the underside of the baseboard. The old (very old) GEM lever frame was actually going to provide some of the bits to make the frame, I was goimg to cannibalise it to provide the two levers and the top of the frame. After a closer look and a bit of a fiddle with it, I decided it was just as easy to make one from scratch. The big difference between the GEM lever frame and my scratchbuilt one is that on my one the point connection is above the lever pivot and not below the pivot as it is on the GEM frame.

The lever will give a maximum throw of 5mm, the Peco points require 3mm. I have not made the levers "lock" as they do on the GEM frame as this is not required.
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Postby Jon Randall » Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:30 pm

Sorry to hear about Gismo. :(

The layout is coming along nicely. If I remember correctly, you can store a train between the points on Katham House while another goes around the extended loop. :?:

Did you see Steve blaming us on the Simplicity Sidings thread :?: :D
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:54 pm

More_Cats_Than_Sense wrote:
More_Cats_Than_Sense wrote: and I've got a couple of sick cats
Now unfortunately, only one of the cats is sick, the other one (Gismo) will never be ill again :cry:

Oh no. Sorry. :( Good he'll not be ill again, very sad it had to be by that way.
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:56 pm

I've managed to do a bit more on the point control, I've built the changeover switch brackets and connected the slideswitches to the tiebars using long 10BA bolts.

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Thank you for your thoughts on the loss of Gismo.
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:30 pm

Got the point control installed and working

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Postby Glen A » Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:37 pm

What a fine piece of engineering Barry.
Its almost a shame to have it all hidden under the layout.

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Postby Bob Taylor » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:10 pm

Your work below the layout is fascinating. Above is not bad either! A HUGH layout in Gn15 terms.


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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:56 pm

Been wiring, Gnot quite as neat as I'd like in a couple of places, but it'll do the job well enough..


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Postby Nick Ellingworth » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:58 pm

It's almost certain that it's a lot neater than any of the wiring I'll ever do, I just never bother with tidying the wiring up it's a bit of a chore to be honest.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:13 pm

Thats untidy :shock: yeah, right :) I could show you what untidy wiring looks like :lol:
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Postby Glen A » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:39 pm

After seeing that nice neat job, there is no way I will be posting pics of under my layout.
Nice job Barry

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:40 pm

Not only is it tidy it also works :roll: :roll: :roll:
That puts it two levels above any of my efforts :oops: :oops:
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:55 pm

I didn't say it was untidy :!: Just Gnot as neat as I'd like :wink:

When I get five minutes I'll do a demo piece on a way to wire that is quick, easy, simple to modify if required, and makes it easier to trace wires and faults if you have a complex layout.
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Postby Bob Taylor » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:15 pm

Very nice Barry.

It never fails to amaze me that normally wiring on model railway layouts is appalling! :shock: Many hours go into building rolling stock, loco's etc only to be let down by the electrics.

Rant over. Thank you feel much better! :D

Non of this applies to Your work Barry. Not only a fine layout but one that will run as well.


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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:51 pm

In between work and visits to the vet, I've managed to do some testing of the track. Next step is track painting.

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Postby Nick Ellingworth » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:10 pm

Looks like everything is working well.
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Postby dr5euss » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:12 pm

Nice one Barry, you've got a nice long run there :)

What are you doing about the back? I seem to remember you didn't modify the rear point on KH, and the point on the joining board isn't modified, but the back is still scenicked?


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