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Postby John New » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:17 pm

More adaptation on this today, time will tell whether it is progress!

Importantly the engine now has a name, "Canute", after Canute Road adjacent to the Docks in Southampton.

The cab window cut outs using the moulding marks of the toy to my eye were a total failure and looked nothing like any engine I have ever seen. So out with the piercing saw and file and open them up to something resembling the USA Dock tank design to fit what the rest of the engine is closest to. (The USATC “S100” Class which eventually ran to around 400 original or derived locomotives)

Based on some photos I took by chance earlier this year at the Bluebell and Mid Hants Railways I have added a few more extra pipes and bits. None are exact replicas of what is there on an actual S100 but they make Canute look closer to a typical "Yankee". It now has a whistle, safety valve. regulator rod (I think that was that bit is) blower feed pipe and ?? (a whatever the thing with a wheel on it on top of the boiler does! ) The latter bodged up to fill the unrealistic change in the boiler on the plastic moulding just behind the chimney. I also added a lubricator box using a scrap computer plug/wires. The lubricator should have a wheel on it but I can't find anything small enough to fit currently. I need to fit some micro strip around the windows and to form cab handrails but not planning to do more than that.

It really needs some paint on it to cover the awful blue/gold livery. Various prototypical choices including WD Grey, Southern & BR Black, BR Green and several weird colour combo's the KWVLR used on 30072 after preservation. Photo's below of today's changes. Tender mods with the figure balanced on top did not work visually so a new tender top (driving truck) will be made.
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Postby John New » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:36 pm

This is definitely becoming a two forward and one back project!

People (model driver) problems. The Italeri bloke I had in mind hadn't been made up from kit state and in offering him up to the model found he is very long in the legs. In town earlier today so bought this Slich seated figure Steve posted about ages ago. (His photo re-linked to below) and mentioned before on here. (See page 11 of this thread - http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t= ... &start=250 ) He looks the part from a size viewpoint but so heavy the loco struggles to pull his weight!! Ho hum, another day another challenge.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:10 pm

John New wrote:He looks the part from a size viewpoint but so heavy the loco struggles to pull his weight!! Ho hum, another day another challenge.


:shock: If he is too heavy, how does it manage with a wagon or two behind it :?:
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Postby DCRfan » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:05 pm

John New wrote:This is definitely becoming a two forward and one back project!

People (model driver) problems. The Italeri bloke I had in mind hadn't been made up from kit state and in offering him up to the model found he is very long in the legs.


You can easilly saw the legs off and remove 3-4 mm both above and below the knees without figures looks too unballanced.
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Postby John New » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:12 pm

Thanks for the comments Steve & Paul. I have tried a bit more experimentation since earlier post. At current state of the battery:-

- Loco' pulls the tender and the caboose unloaded without any apparent problem but without some form of driver visible the combo' just looks wrong.

- With Slich man for weight testing purposes, the weight of man and both vehicles as a trailing load causes severe slipping. It does just go round but obviously struggling. I suspect the tight radius of the track is a contributory factor too as pulling the weight against a very severe draw-bar angle.

- will just pull the tender plus man without the caboose but very slowly so obviously that trailing weight represents the balancing limit point of adhesion - v- horsepower.

On the full size railway these tribology tests are a lot more sophisticated but on this model the resultant outcome shows a need for some form of lighter weight driver. Agree the Italeri chap is probably shortenable and he is also probably lighter.

I will just have to run with "Mr Cardboard Cut-out" for a while! Silly ideas of making the theme of the layout a cartoon film set are arising!
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:19 pm

Is there space to fit more weight on the loco for better adhesion :?:
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Postby John New » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:24 pm

Is there space to fit more weight on the loco for better adhesion


Should be some room in the boiler above the battery and also flat against the inside of the side tanks. Another option to try tomorrow.

I am hopeful I can get some form of driver onto a support/driving truck as with the Slich bloke sitting behind it does look like a miniature engine.
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Postby John New » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:19 pm

Just seen the latest Scrapbook page on Carl's Micro layouts site. Does anyone know where the dollar store cheapo train sets with points and straights can be obtained either on-line or in a UK chain store?
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Postby Matthi205 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:23 am

I never seen such a set(with points).Where can I buy it?
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Postby AndyA » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:04 am

I have a set (12mm gauge) which came with two points and a passing loop, but I'm afraid that doesn't help (other than smeaning that they are available somewhere), because I picked it up in a market in Ankara. It was made in China and had a different style of loco body to that shown.

Thanks for the reminder about the site. Some of the 'continuous' ideas remind me a bit of building a 'Warren' layout in 009 which I greatly enjoyed.

The next article down appears to pose a Challengne. :)

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Postby John New » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:16 pm

Thanks for the kind comment in the challenge post Andy. Canute is as ready for the paint shop now as it will ever be, if I add any more bits it will be counter productive, given the value of the basic starter loco.

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As you can see from the above the backhead fixed to the motor block now has fire hole door gear, two water gauges and a regulator (All from the original Dapol moulding), a steam pressure gauge and another gauge (Both from spare sprue), some pipe runs for the ancillary steam fittings, a manifold valve (Half a press-stud) and a screw reverser (The other half of the press-stud). On the loco section we have a water control on/off valve and various other bits as previously mentioned. The cab handrails are cut from an old plastic fence.

Below is an image of one of the recently imported prototypes and now based at the Mid-Hants Railway with some detail differences at the front end to the ex-Southern Railway one's. (The 30075 number is fictitious) Links to further photos are also given below.
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This one shows the left hand side of the modelwith an extra pipe run and the tank filler cap (Old domed nail)

The rear/right hand side is here and includes a view of the back head details with the cab fitted.

Finally a link to another image of a USA tank, this one in WD livery in the sheds on the Bluebell Railway.

Next up after painting the loco will be a stab at a tender and driver then more thoughts on the layout setting to put them into.
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Postby John New » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:16 pm

Firstly I have added a Building Canute page to my own website.

Started the paint job today but all not gone to plan. The Humbol acrylics I had used before did OK for the black areas on the smolebox, chimney and underframe etc.. I then mixed up some artists acrylics to get very dark brown for the back head and motion, That went on to a just acceptable level as smoothness was not critical. However it did raise doubts about using more for the main tanks and boiler.

I put on the green from the same set of paint tubes as it is close to Southern Malachite. Unfortunately that has now been scrubbed off again, it was drying like treacle and with too many streaks.

Of course now I have sat down with a coffee I have remembered what I should have remembered reading before starting - artists acrylic paints are not the same consistency as modellers acryllic.

All about learning and as this is the first non-card model I have painted for a few years I need to relearn the skills!
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Postby michael » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:10 pm

Looking forward to the unifying new paint job, just changing from the powder blue to green will change the look of the loco completely.
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Postby John New » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:47 pm

Hopefully my other PC with the camera card reader will be fully back on-line tommorow so I can post some photos. After a bit more work has been done on it.

The difference that just getting rid of most of the gold (as that is now under the black bits) and by changing the motion links from white to a dark brown as a consequence of today's paint run has made a tremendous visual difference.

I did think of going garish with the livery 30072 carried for a while at Keighley but it was too extreme for a UK perspective. It was silver smoke box door, silver funnel, black smokebox and boiler top, orange tanks, orange cabside and bunker plus red buffer beams. Number carried 72 in big gold numerals.

End result will probably be a version of one of the liveries carried by 30064 and seen on these pages - http://www.bluebellrailway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/usa.html and http://www.bluebellrailway.co.uk/bluebe ... 30064.html

As you can tell from the above notes both 30064 and 30072 have survived.

(Neither photo is copyright to me so only linked to)
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Postby bluey1989 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:46 am

There is always the keighley & worth valley railway

In worth valley colours: -

http://www.kwvr.co.uk/gallery/images/WVL1538.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3623/360 ... d99d39.jpg

and in BR green colours: -

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.enef ... /72kly.jpg

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Postby John New » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:28 am

did think of going garish with the livery 30072 carried for a while at Keighley but it was too extreme for a UK perspective.


Thanks for that feedback. I did consider the KWVLR livery and used those photos as references for the description above. However as you can see from the quote from my earlier post I rejected it. I am going for a form of BR green livery. I do remember them from the 60s at Southampton in black and Eastleigh in green.

If I had the cash available for a real world live steam 10 1/4" version of one of these it would be in green so that is what the model will end up in.
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Postby bluey1989 » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:55 am

Sorry John, thought I had read all the posts, must have over looked this bit...

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Postby John New » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:34 pm

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Today the loco got the first coat of Humbrol green and I boobed, forgot this enamel was gloss, not acrylic and should have had a undercoat! I have now added the photos from yesterday into the build blog on my website where there is also more written content. I really do wish I had remembered more of this (now reread) Gnatterbox thread from 2007 about Acrylic paints before starting! For the more recent joiners to this forum it is well worth a read.

See Canute build - latest page entry However what has surprised me as a confident painter of card models, long lapsed painter of nonabsorbent model materials, is how much the skills differ and how much I have either forgotten (or never knew in the first place) of the relevant techniques. I can easily visualise giving this attempt a dunk into a bath of Modelstrip and restarting the painting stages again from scratch.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:22 pm

John New wrote:I can easily visualise giving this attempt a dunk into a bath of Modelstrip and restarting the painting stages again from scratch.


If you do strip it and start afresh John, if it were me, I would start with a matt black aerosol as a primer/basecoat, then paint in the details over that. Might need a couple of coats of brush painted green to cover, but then, you have that scenario already :wink:
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Postby John New » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:55 pm

Thanks for the comment Steve. I did think of starting with a car spray primer but have not used sprays previously on models nor for a car repair job now for over 20 years (I had an employer supplied lease car) so no confidence I had the requisite skill to avoid bad runs etc.

However the bog-up I have made of this brush paint job is disheartening so I may well strip it back and give it a try.
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Postby John New » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:12 pm

Small update to the build log for this project uploaded today at http://www.island-publishing.co.uk/canute.htm#latest Not much progress on the loco' due to paint problems. However not idle and ideas are gelling for a possible scenic setting. Very taken with the idea of a "dark box" and an illuminated garden setting as a consequence of my trip to Abbotsbury recently.
Sample thumbnail below - That plus three others giving links to larger versions of them on the web given above.
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