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Button-Hole mine.... a fantasy in Gn15

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:55 pm
by Charlie Stewart
Here follows a build I have just started as part of a challenge on another forum I participate in, as such much of this will be a "cut-and-paste" excersise here.

The Background...
My G/F has an obsession with buttons!!! yep all shapes & sizes but the colour hasto be green.. .. its just a button fetish (could be worse??? a lot worse eh???) so I was on the 'puter the other night talking out loud about this challenge of Geoff's and muttering some " if I was gonna enter, I would do...etc..etc..." when she proclaimed why dont you make me a button mine?????......

Well I thought buttons were made in factories but SWMBO assures me they are mined in tiny caves like Wookey Hole..... !!! Thus the title of "Button-Hole Mine" .... so Ok thats fine " but it has to include water love?" she says thats fine you can make a boat to take the buttons away in..... so OK but "its Gotta be about 250 sq inches love" she says thats fine you will have loads of room spare........ so here I am.... Bless her hahahahahaha...

Ok so the point of no return.... I now have a 20" x 12" piece of isulation cut and ready to start, 240 sq inches so well inside my quota for G scale (12mm/ft).


onto this massive blank canvas I want to fit a mine, 2 working lines, a wharfe with loading chute, a canal barge.... or a least PART of each of these to represent them......



Wish me luck???

Charlie

Re: Button-Hole mine.... a fantasy in Gn15

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:50 pm
by Arthur Inch
Charlie Stewart wrote:Wish me luck???


Ok done that what next? :wink:

Charlie love the idea and the preamble, will be watching with interest.

Does it all have to be on one level, perhaps multi level may be a way forward in accommodating all your requirements?


Best wishes for your venture..........

John

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:42 pm
by Gerry Bullock
AGnother watcher here Charlie, noting what you hope to include, I would say that it has to be a Magic Button Hole Mine. :wink:

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:54 pm
by SOUTHPASS
G,day....Charlie, when the buttons are mined do they have the holes in them or is there a processing plant for that. Also when my Iredium mine closed there was some holes left in the ground, perhaps I could ship them to you for conversion to button holes. :D

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:02 pm
by chris stockdale
'Four thousand holes in Blackburn Lancashire' sang the Beatles.

Looking forward to more as it develops.

bestest

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:24 pm
by Charlie Stewart
SOUTHPASS wrote:G,day....Charlie, when the buttons are mined do they have the holes in them or is there a processing plant for that. Also when my Iredium mine closed there was some holes left in the ground, perhaps I could ship them to you for conversion to button holes. :D


Well John, I've just consulted the "Button Expert" and her answer was a rather curt " what a silly question to ask...... of course the buttons are mined complete with there holes already in them... if they didnt have holes they would simply be DISCS !!!!" consider yourself well and truly told mate....

as far as sending some of your spare "holes" over here whilst the weight would be favourable with our crazy Royal Mail pricing strategy ..they also charge by size.... as you model in 1/24/g/n/15/16.5mm I'm afraid the high cost of shipping will make them prohibitive......

I've just had a good nights progress in the garage so just about to sort some photos out......

stay tuned,

Charlie

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:39 pm
by Charlie Stewart
Ok, Ok so I've now cut three pieces of Pink foam, glued them together and even done a trackplan LOLOLOL...
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Top right will be down an incline/hidden from view as this is the "Button Mine", top left is a small sector plate, bottom will be a tipple at a canalside into a waiting barge, at the front left will be a ramshackle engine shed/store.

and next pictures show the stages of operation,

First the Buttons are loaded into the skip out of site down in the mine,
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Then the tiny battery loco (TEMPORARILY underground Ernie yet again!!) moves out of the mine onto the sector plate...
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The sector plate is then turned to the wharf track..
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Then the loco pushes the loaded skip to the end where the skip is tipped, depositing the buttons into the waiting canal barge....
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Then its a return back to the mine, and so on etc......

Just for a bit of variety there will be a small store/loco service point at the front left of the layout where a waggon or the loco can be parked up., for recharging the batteries....
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Enjoy the fantasy,

Charlie

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:01 pm
by SOUTHPASS
G,day again Charlie....As luck would have it I had already sent one of the workers down to fetch one of holes. He was coming up the road with the hole in tow and missed the turnoff, so backed the truck and promptly fell down the hole. Now I have a wrecked truck in the bottom of the hole and a great bloody hole in the middle of the road that no one wants. :oops:

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:51 pm
by Adrian
G'day Charlie

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Enjoy the fantasy,


'Fantasy' :?: ............ And up to that point I thought that you was copying a prototype :!:

Cheers

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:03 am
by dieselwater
This is proper magic Charlie :D Love it.

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:58 am
by KEG
I very much like the landing mast for freight airships in the rear of the layout.
So far I believed, buttons only grow on trees. Waiting to see the progress of the mine.


Have Fun

Juergen

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:18 am
by rockershovel
aren't holes shipped in "lay-flat" form http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFNx7YFw ... re=related ?

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:14 pm
by Arthur Inch
Hi Charlie,

A thoroughly absorbing read, truly amazed at how it all fits together in such a small space.

Charlie Stewart wrote:I've just consulted the "Button Expert" and her answer was a rather curt " what a silly question to ask...... of course the buttons are mined complete with their holes already in them... if they didn’t have holes they would simply be DISCS !!!!


Whist I hasten to query the " Button Expert's" wisdom on such a matter, but... :lol:

"Buttons with shanks have no holes in the button blank (the main part of the button) itself because they are not needed for sewing."

So it would in effect be feasible to mine buttons without holes, and they technically would still be buttons...... :lol:

Look forward to seeing more on your project...

John

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:21 pm
by Imagineering
rockershovel wrote:aren't holes shipped in "lay-flat" form http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFNx7YFw ... re=related ?



Watch that you don't fall into this one . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg ... ature=fvwp

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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:20 pm
by Charlie Stewart
A bit more....Today have carved the incline down into the mine, mocked the mine up roughly in some card....
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Heres whtat I would like the mine entrance to be similar to.... This is a piccy I took at Apedale Heritage centre when I was exhibiting last year.....
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Also got the "sector-plate" made and glued down ( ok..ok..some people might claim it is a CD in half a CD case..... but we know different dont we..??? hehehehehe)...
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and from the front....
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and as it was a reasonably clear day, managed to "borrow" John Southpass's helicopter for a near-overhead shot.....
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Enjoy,

Charlie

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:11 am
by scott b
Will whatever loco you are going to use for your layout handle that grade with a wagon or two? Voice of experience asking here.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:40 am
by Willow Creek Traction
CD turntable, what looks about a #2 wye, yep, that's Gn15! :D

What have tests shown the curve needed to transition from grade to flat to be?

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:15 pm
by Charlie Stewart
scott b wrote:Will whatever loco you are going to use for your layout handle that grade with a wagon or two? Voice of experience asking here.


Cheers Scott. tests are about to start on Monday when kids go back but my thoughts are it will be far too steep!!!, I think I will have to use a ply trackbed and make less of an angle. But you dont know till you try eh????

Charlie

@ Forrest Curve from Grade to flat ??..... easy equation = about half the diameter of my knee ( the good one that is!!!).... does that sound enough like Gn15 logic for you???

Charlie

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:42 pm
by Oztrainz
Hi Charlie,
Who needs a loco??? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXicbZs_dWQ

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:57 am
by Charlie Stewart
Oh I know John, watched your vid loads...that is truly Awesome... I'm gonna add a working incline to Barton Ings in the summer so will probably be "pestering" you some more on that !!!

Charlie

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:20 am
by Mike Lee
Superb idea John :idea: Its that good its almost worth while making a small mine layout just for the effect.

I have been looking for ideas of how to discreetly (hands-off) move wagons off a wagon turntable into a building, I think this is the solution. Like Charlie I think I might be 'pestering' you for more details.

Thanks for sharing :D

Regards Mike Lee.

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:37 pm
by rockershovel
Mike Lee wrote:Superb idea John :idea: Its that good its almost worth while making a small mine layout just for the effect.

I have been looking for ideas of how to discreetly (hands-off) move wagons off a wagon turntable into a building, I think this is the solution. Like Charlie I think I might be 'pestering' you for more details.

Thanks for sharing :D

Regards Mike Lee.


colliery railways often used a technique which might be described as "bump shunting", the wagons on the ramp pushing the ones on the level forward - of course they are not coupled. Or, how about two locos - a rack-drive one on the ramp?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:39 pm
by rockershovel
Arthur Inch wrote:Hi Charlie,

A thoroughly absorbing read, truly amazed at how it all fits together in such a small space.

Charlie Stewart wrote:I've just consulted the "Button Expert" and her answer was a rather curt " what a silly question to ask...... of course the buttons are mined complete with their holes already in them... if they didn’t have holes they would simply be DISCS !!!!


Whist I hasten to query the " Button Expert's" wisdom on such a matter, but... :lol:

"Buttons with shanks have no holes in the button blank (the main part of the button) itself because they are not needed for sewing."

So it would in effect be feasible to mine buttons without holes, and they technically would still be buttons...... :lol:

Look forward to seeing more on your project...

John


aren't these called"bachelor buttons", presumably for use with "virgin wool"?

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:43 am
by Glen A
wow.
I go away for a long weekend and come back to find a new layout, and its already been half built!
I do like the idea...

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:42 am
by rockershovel
the Apedale incline would certainly have been rope-hauled. The pad-eye for the haulage rope can be seen on the wagon to the left of the picture