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Postby Gleisbauer » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:24 am

Hi Folks,
while i still haven´t bought everything i need to complete my Katie ( http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=9563 ), i startet to build the only (to me) known loco that has been build for industrial use on 400 mm Gauge:
Deutz No 21132.

The Original is preserved in Nürnberg (now converted to 500mm), where a friend of mine made a lot of photos and another friend converted it to be 3 D-printed.
The process of developing the modell: http://www.die-feldbahnsinnigen.de/foru ... =55&t=1063
The link to Shapeways: http://www.shapeways.com/shops/sandbahner

And here starts my Report:

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I don´t wan´t to build a 100% Model, more a sister- engine, so some Details are different.
The loco is going to be RC- controlled, so there will be no need for clean tracks :wink:

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Postby Artizen » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:03 pm

Can you post a photo with something to gauge the size, I am really interested to see where you will put the battery.

Nice little loco.
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Postby Gleisbauer » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:21 pm

Hi Artizen,
take a look at this:

http://www.die-feldbahnsinnigen.de/foru ... ge_id=4650 *

The scale is 1:22,5
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Christoph

* The Picture is taken from my Friends Christians Report
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:27 pm

Christoph if the width of Loco is 72mm then it's not Gn15!
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Postby Gleisbauer » Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:53 pm

Hm,
i didn´t take a closer look on the Dimensions, change the scale to 1:1 and the mm to cm... :wink:

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:37 pm

Gleisbauer wrote:Hm,
i didn´t take a closer look on the Dimensions, change the scale to 1:1 and the mm to cm... :wink:

Regards
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So width of model is 35 mm.
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Postby Artizen » Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:40 pm

So doing the math - the real world dimension is 720mm wide which equates to 32mm in 1:22.5. That's tight for the usual li-po battery. Will be interested to see this one fully fitted and running.
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Postby Toeffelholm » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:22 pm

Regarding the range of available Lipo sizes, what is a usual Lipo?


The inner boiler diameter of this loco is ca. 27mm, enough space for a two cell lipo with 240mA.

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So there is more than enough space for bigger Lipos and a DelTang receiver in Christoph's Deutz loco. Far more as the Halling drive, this loco is designed for, will run convincingly with one lipo cell.


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Postby Larry » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:38 pm

For really small applications, you can consider super or Ultra capacitors, which can offer power densities much higher than even Lipo Bateries. They are common for robots under a cubic inch in size.

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A unit about that size can have 5.5v x 1.2 farads of energy storage. They also come in disc or can configurations that could be disguised as gas or air tanks. For higher voltages wire them in series. For longer run times wire them in parallel or any combination. They aren't cheap. One that size cost about $35 USD a while back in lots of 15 ( group buy, then) I haven't checked singles prices.

Different unit between Ultracapacitor (Farad) and battery (Ampere hour) makes users to get confused when adopting Ultracapacitor in their system.

The amount of energy stored in ultracapacitor can be easily calculated by using following equation.

Energy (Joule) = ½ x Capacitance (Farad) x Voltage2 (Volts) It can be converted from Farad for Ultracapacitor to Watt hour unit which is normally used for conventional rechargeable battery.

Energy (Watt hour) = Energy (Joule) / 3600 (sec) LS Mtron recommended to operates ultracapacitor from maximum voltage to half voltage and release ¾ of total energy.

http://www.ultracapacitor.co.kr/ultraca ... rison.html


Just make sure to stay under the voltage rating or these babies go off like firecrackers, and use a protection diode to make sure you don't reverse charge them.
A charger can be as simple as a wall wart of the right regulated voltage and a power resistor to slow the charge rate a little so the wall wart doesn't get too hot. The Cap can draw a quicker charge than the wart can deliver.

The caps have very low international resistance, so they don't get hot. They can also be charged or discharged in seconds, which has advantages and disadvantages. They can be charged in a second or two, but they can also be discharged all at once by touching both leads or shorting wires. Think mini welder or taser.
It's how the flash in small cameras are energized.

Be careful

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Postby Gleisbauer » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:58 pm

Hi Folks,
here are two more Photos:

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I´m thinking about painting it dark, maybe black or grey, what do you think?

Regards
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Postby Geeky Gecko » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:17 pm

Very impressive, Christoph.
I like it in grey. Wasn't grey a common colour for industrial machinery and road vehicles?
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:43 pm

Green with black underframe as the prototype.
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Postby Gleisbauer » Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:54 pm

Hi Gerry,
yes, green/black looks nice, but i don´t wan´t to have the third loco in that design at the next exhibition, because the two friends who measured the original and developt the 3 D-print have already painted their locos green/black.
It´s going to be a black underframe and a dark grey body.

Regards
Christoph
By the way, i was just told that i´ll get an etched builders plate for the loco! :D
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Postby Gleisbauer » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:45 am

Hi Folks,
the loco is painted (exept for some dirt/rust, which follows later):


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Regards
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Postby Gleisbauer » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:57 pm

Hi Folks,
today was the first time to run for the little engine:

http://youtu.be/LtIknWIZQoE


Regards

Christoph
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