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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:26 am
by kevo
thanks peter . it may look more in proprortion when I put a coat of primer on . I made the bonet out of one of those plastic small draws you get in storage boxes like for keep ing screws etc . yes the front view dus make the over hang look big . I have noticed that some people place much wider sleepers under the track to balance it out more .cheers kevin

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:49 am
by chris stockdale
Out in the 'real world' (much overrated IMHO) we are pushing the width/gauge boundaries on 7 1/4" gauge track. I think Kevo's locos fall within the bounds of realism.

There are now some locos and stock that are right on the 4 x gauge 'limit' that is generally suggested as the maximum ratio for stability, i.e. in the region of 27 - 28" width.

Those of a 'Minimal' persuasion (i.e. smaller gauge than Heywood's 'minimum' of 15", but still nominally 12" to the foot as opposed to a miniature of something else - as ever, see my Facebook group in my signature for more) can some see some of this stuff next weekend, Saturday 24 June, as we're having a Gathering. I'll start a separate thread in Blether in a moment with some details.

Meantimes here's a photo of three locos, two minimal with the armoured Simple a miniature. All on 7 1/4" yet very different. Makes you think, doesn't it?

Cheers,

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:09 am
by mad gerald
chris stockdale wrote:Makes you think, doesn't it?

... definitely absolutely :!: ... thanks for the additional input - very much appreciated!!!

Cheers

PS: Visited your FB site already these days

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:26 am
by kevo
that makes excellent reference photo chris thank you .

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:45 am
by chris stockdale
Another photo to contrast the size of a miniature loco to that of a Ruston styled Minimal one. Gauge is again 7 1/4". Indeed, apart the likes of Rudyard Lake railway and a handful of other similare concerns I'd suggest that at least 90% of minimal stuff runs on 7 1/4".

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:01 am
by chris stockdale
More?

OK, just a couple.

First Stumpy, about 4' x 2', i.e. about 2/3 the size of a genuine Lister, with Scamp looking pretty small (they are!) beside it.

Then Aneirin, a genuine single Fairlie next to Taliesin at the Quirks and Curiosities weekend a few weeks back on the Ffestiniog.

For a 7 1/4" loco Aneirin is BIG

Length..................... 8ft 9in
Width (max)............. 28 inches
Height from rail........ 50 inches
Driving wheel diameter 8½ inches
Cylinder Bore........... 3½ inches
Stroke...................... 4¼ inches
Boiler diameter........ 12¾ inches
Grate area............... 91 sq. inches
Gauge..................... 7¼ inch

Cheers,

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:11 am
by mad gerald
... but they all have a low center of gravity in common, which IMHO is helpful/necessary to prevent them from tipping over ... do you eventually have another example, showing a loco with a higher frame ... or the drivers seat not mounted on the floor (apart from Listers) ... perhaps considering 10 1/4" gauge as well ...?

@Kevo
Sorry for extending you thread :oops:

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:22 am
by kevo
chris the pic of the ruston & especial the two listers are just the sort of reference I need . its incredible the size difference of the listers on the same gauge track

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:27 am
by kevo
not at all Gerald keep it flowing :) did you make any more progress past the card mock up on your micro layout ? I do like it .

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:29 am
by chris stockdale
Hi Gerald,

Are you meaning the likes of Arun, a new(ish) 10 1/4" gauge loco on the South Downs Light Railway? Arun was built by the Exmoor folk - the Stirland family - who normally build steamers in gauges from 7 1/4" to 15".

And yes, apologies to Kevo, but I'm dropping this stuff in hoping that it helps give some real life examples of the considerable variety in size and shape available to inspire and excite!

Cheers,

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:38 am
by chris stockdale
Still with 10 1/4" take a look at the wide variety of motive power on the Rudyard Lake Steam Railway.

http://www.rlsr.org/about-the-railway/locomotives.html

Cheers,

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:03 pm
by kevo
it was this one gerald
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:41 pm
by mad gerald
kevo wrote:.. did you make any more progress past the card mock up on your micro layout ? I do like it .


kevo wrote:it was this one gerald ...


Kevin,
I have not started the conversion yet, 'cause I had to fix some minor issues first: was i. e. not quite sure regarding the gauge (26,7 mm representing ~18" or 16,5 mm representing 10 1/4"), choice of rails, final arrangement of layout ... apart from bringing together all the necessary stuff ...

chris stockdale wrote:Are you meaning the likes of Arun, a new(ish) 10 1/4" gauge loco on the South Downs Light Railway? Arun was built by the Exmoor folk - the Stirland family - who normally build steamers in gauges from 7 1/4" to 15" .


Stockers,
I was thinking of nothing particular, but I'm glad to see that actually a lot more is possible running on 10 1/4" and 7 1/4" than I was expecting ... :shock: ... .. and now feel quite comfortable with my choice of gauge and my build ... 8)

Cheers

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:19 pm
by chris stockdale
Hi Gerald,

In truth I reckon that most 7 1/4" locos and stock are garden sized, or at the very most light industrial/agricultural; whereas going that bit larger to 10 1/4" allows for quite substantial gear. As ever though, it's what your imagination says is right. :D

Cheers,

Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:26 pm
by chris stockdale
Additional...

Another way of looking at the modelling opportunities in this sort of scale/gauge combo is to have a wander through the GNine section of the Gnatterbox gently muttering, 'double the scale, double the gauge (approximately) on that, hmm, yes, that would look good...' :wink:

That gives you 257 topics to play with at the last count. :D

Cheers,

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:37 pm
by Jon Randall
I've had a dabble in 1/12th on 16.5mm too. I call it Wn7.5 as I figure if H is used for "Half inch to the foot" then W is "Whole inch to the foot".
The last picture is odd but the post was "muppetised" by a previous over-zealous admin.

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Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:15 pm
by kevo
hi jon your 1/12 lister looks really good did you go on to build your park farm layout :?:

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:30 am
by Jon Randall
It's on the list :roll:

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:19 am
by kevo
yes I now what you mean :roll:

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:24 am
by kevo
just wanted to ask dus any one know where I might get get some ruston type buffer blocks in 16mm . I have been looking so far no luck . :) cheers kevin

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:30 pm
by kevo
soz should have said dus any one know who makes coupler blocks in 16 mm sm32 :oops:

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:40 pm
by chris stockdale
Kevo,

You might like to take a look at Modelearth

http://modelearth.net/couplers%20and%20 ... 016mm.html

or Brandbright

http://www.brandbright.co.uk/index.php?cPath=33

Cheers,

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:42 pm
by KEG
...or OZARK >Miniatures: http://www.modell-werkstatt.de/lokomotivteile?pagenumber=2

Have Fun

Juergen

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:50 pm
by kevo
big thanks for those links chaps . that has found me what ime looking for :D

Re: 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:37 pm
by kevo
Hi all,

Having had a lull in starting any other projects . and lack of funds :( I decided it was time to have a bash at finish ing some of my put back on the shelf projects . Blowing the cobwebs off I picked up the 1/12 scale on 16.5 track loco I had started some time a go after a coat of grey primer I then started on a base colour for a rust effect this was just artist burnt umber acrylic applied by air brush . Then other shades of rust tones to create some texture I stippled in some chalks with a old brush When I had got a effect I was happy with :) A top coat of acrylic olive green was sprayed on . half way through I suddenly had a thought I forgot to spray the loco with hair spray for the peeling effect :oops: To late now so when the paint had almost dry I set about with luke warm water to remove the top coat to let the rust show through . and all was not lost :D so that is as far as I have got to date I hope you guys approve.

Cheers :roll:

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