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Airplane modelling ahhhhh...

Postby rue_d_etropal » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:30 pm

Been building one of my WW1 kits today. Today it was a biplane, and I now know why did not build many whist younger. All those struts to line up. :x Thought it might be easier in bigger scale. In the end it went together. Luckily it was a model of pusher, so could rest wings on edge. If plastic had been included to make the fine wires I might have been tempted, but there was nothing. Might get some micro-rod, but apart from adding some detail, need to paint model. Then I need to test it out on the first expanded APA module. Was thinking of getting one of the 2 seater versions of the plane, from New Zealand but not so sure now. The single seater is pretty big. This one was a Roden kit, I ill have a close look at the other one online before deciding.
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:00 am

Those old timers look cool, but, man, that rigging :!:
It's just plain evil in 1/72 scale :twisted:
Some of the 1/144 airliners I'm doing are Roden. They make some interesting stuff.
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Postby Little Andi. » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:44 am

How strangely coincidental...................

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This is one of the reasons I've been absent lately - I still call in everyday, at least once a day. And my intentions towards Gn15 are entirely honourable, but I do have to get this out of my system ... or at least take the edge of it.
Now if it was 1/24 I could combine the two of course: as it is - 1/32.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:34 am

that's scary. no way would I want to photo my models that close.
Not sure if there is enough time for me to build models to that level of skill. Attention tends to drift after a few hours, which is why I am hesitating over getting another plane to build. Having sad that, wish I had bought a Wingnuts rather than a Roden kit. More parts but think it would have gone together easier. Pity they are also resorting to etched brass, as I prefer to use plastic in kits.
Was tempted by some 1/24 airplane kits a few years ago, but in that scale they need even more space, a helicopter possibly. I have a Stuka somewhere, well most of it , but would want to display it nose deep in a muddy farm pond! :roll: Like that scene in 'Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines' , I know its a different period, but something for the future.

One thing I have noticed with these more professional kits is the amount of extra work required, even if it is just drilling holes. Makes me less bothered about the various additions people might need with my own 3d printed models.
Andi, is that a kit there? The idea of a French monoplane appeals to me.
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Postby bandmbill » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:26 pm

Lovely model!
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Postby david colley jnr » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:15 pm

I'm building a 1/24 SA5e at the moment, balsa with tissue covering. No where near Andi's level of detail though! That, Sir, is superb! Hat's off to you!

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:48 am

Aw man, stick and tissue, way cool! 8) :D
Trying to remember name of plane Andi built without resorting to any of the books here or to Google. Bleroit something, mind is mixing its name with the Bristol Bullet. Bleroit monoplane is the best the memory can do.
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Postby Little Andi. » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:49 am

rue_d_etropal wrote:Andi, is that a kit there? The idea of a French monoplane appeals to me.


Yes, it started out as a kit - supposedly? It's the "Special Hobby's" kit of the "Morane Saulnier type N" the genetic forefather of the notorious Fokker Eindecker of "the Fokker scourge" fame.
As kits go it's what's known as a "multi media" kit, it has plastic injection components, resin and also photo etch. None of which seemed to have been designed to be compatible with each other.
Most of the photo etch was binned as it just didn't fit well enough, and most of the smaller resin items were just replaced with "scratched" versions ... see pulley mechanisms on the rigging gantry. As you can readily see all the etched turnbuckles were replaced with scratchbuilt ones, wheels were heavily modified ... and the list goes on.
As can be seen? A passable rendition is possible but it's definitely not a project for an inexperienced modeller.

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As is obvious you don't get a lot in the box, but it is a specialist kit, and most folk will buy it on the understanding that this is no "Shake and bake" project.
There are certainly easier kits out there, but if you want the Morane in 1/32nd - it's the only game in town.


And thanks for the kind words - appreciated.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:12 am

In some ways I prefer not to have everything in the box, as long as I am not still paying a high price.
Monoplanes look simpler, but the rigging is more obvious, so leaving it off would look even odder.
have similar problem with boats, so am looking out for boats without rigging. Easier as boats often have it disconnected whilst in for repair, which would be my excuse. Still not enough models in either 1/32 or 1/24 unless you want to pay through the nose. Tempted by a Clyde Puffer but not sure if I can justify it in the Mediterranean. :roll: It would just about fit in a APA box though.
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Postby KEG » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:06 pm

Pile those aeroplane parts on a railroad wagon and you don´t have to worry about rigging anymore:



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Postby Ian-IoM » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:04 pm

Superb looking plane Andi, and from my favourite era for aircraft. I made a free flight Morane Saulnier type L many years ago, balsa and tissue with a CO2 motor. Nowhere near your level of detail but it flew quite well. A bit too well actually, I last saw it heading off intrepidly over some woodland in Galloway...
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:11 pm

Juergen, that is something I have considered, especially as most of what will be transported is clearup stuff. Would need to find a nice cheap model, possibly something started or damaged already. :roll:
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Postby Little Andi. » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:04 pm

Ian-IoM wrote:Superb looking plane Andi, and from my favourite era for aircraft. I made a free flight Morane Saulnier type L many years ago, balsa and tissue with a CO2 motor. Nowhere near your level of detail but it flew quite well. A bit too well actually, I last saw it heading off intrepidly over some woodland in Galloway...



Ian - bloke!!!

I am so reassured to see that you also are still lurking in the shadows around here too.
I had a bit of a bash at stick and tissue some moons ago.

How about this .....................

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After a while of building from plans I kind of got bored!! And decided to see if I could design a model aircraft myself. This the "Why 6" is the result. It won some kind of concurs somewhere flew well too, a couple of the other lads on the board I frequented took the plans and made quite the performance flyer out of it - so I did something right?

This pic' has obviously been doctored up to look like some kind of period souvenir postcard ... but it makes me smile.
Still have the plane kicking around somewhere, although it doesn't look quite so swish anymore.
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:22 am

That Why-6 is pretty cool. Can see some things which help, high wing, long nose. Landing gear a clearly meant to clear a large diameter prop for rubber power. And anyone who can do those scallops on tissue is a real modeling stud!
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Postby Ian-IoM » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:39 am

Gnice plane Andi, there's a classic golden age look to it.

Yup, I'm still lurking. Believe it or not I'm still pottering on with the layout too. A bit slowly though...

I'll post an update soonish, when the pooter gets back from the repair place. (Posting this from a Nintendo 3DS, a bit fiddly.)
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Postby Bob Roegge » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:59 pm

Just stumbled on this forum. Did not know I could expand my horizons beyond my GN15 modeling here. Andi....your model is beautiful.

I dabble in radio control planes and during the winter we fly indoors at a soccer center. I scratch built a 1/12th scale Vickers FB5 from Cleveland plans a couple years ago. I have only flown it a couple times as it is a bit of a handful and I really do not want to destroy it!

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:06 pm

Cleveland - oh man, they go waaaaay back. Quality work, too.

Edit - just went and looked up Cleveland's website.
http://www.clevelandairline.com/default.asp
Dig this,
Cleveland Model & Supply Company, the oldest, continuously-operating model airplane company in the world, was founded in 1926 by Edward T. Pachasa (later Packard). Mr. Packard started the business with his four brothers, his mother and father in their residence and a converted barn near West 57th Street and Bridge Avenue, on the west side of Cleveland Ohio.
That means they have been around for 87 years. :shock: Cool.
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Postby Ian-IoM » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:40 am

Lovely model Bob, and another of my favourite aircraft, a tricky one to get flying though. Many moons ago I made a CO2 power FB5, flew like a piano and got relegated to static display.
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