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Postby david colley jnr » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:27 pm

Well, actually, its a diorama... :oops:

Oh well, it's my first attempt in this scale, so at least it's a start!

Based on a sheet of A4, and working around the shadow box idea, not too sure where it is or what the prototype does, but i'm sure it will all become clear as things develop!

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The track plan.

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The stage is set

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Note the shed point has now been pushed a bit further over. The running line passed a little close to the shed :shock:

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Don't laugh :lol: . My first (and so far only!) example of weathering.

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Trying to decide which paint looks best, flat brown or a more unusual metalic bronze. I really want to keep away from the red oxide colour.

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The rail here is typical colour which in my opinion would be described as being metallic brown? What's your thoughts on that?

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:21 pm

So little time, so many ideas!!!!! GerryB.
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Postby david colley jnr » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:51 am

Cheers for the heads up, Ian!

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Container cut up....

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Now have two for the price of one!

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Placed where it will live. Not quite so imposing now, but they are a bit on the large side in real life and that's what I wanted to get across.

The cutting made loads of dust, so I had to give them a bath. Now just got to re-do the weathering powders! :oops: All part of the learning process! :lol:

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Postby bluey1989 » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:27 pm

Looking good David, looking forward to seeing this develop.

I must admit that I fine games workshop paints great, slightly expensive but they look great and are all matt so you don't get the unwanted gloss finish

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:53 am

I used to do gaming minis and it may have something to do with different texture of rail metal compared to minis pewter (GOD I HATE THAT STUFF) and/or lead.
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Postby david colley jnr » Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:57 pm

Thanks for all the advice. I think ill have a go with the Cif (still cant get used to that daft name for Jif! ) then try painting the rails with a slightly thinned paint. At the worst, I can give it another coat.

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So picked this set up in "Hobbycraft". Seemed to have most of the stuff I needed, albeit in small quantities...

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Formed the land in the time old method of newspaper (actually the festive TV guide) and plaster bandage (from above set). This was then coated in dental plaster (also from above set) and left to dry. This was done whilst our little one was in bed and SWMBO was crashed on the sofa. Still not well...

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Just to see what the sleepers looked like... A little too light for my liking, but as I said before, a little weathering will go a long way.
These are balsa, scrubbed up with a nail brush, you know the old fashioned wooden ones, with the big side, then the little, coarser side? Well, the little side was rubbed up and down the length before it was cut up and just raised the grain a little and created some really nice grooves, not too deep and not too heavy. Hopefully, with a black wash, it will represent splitting wood and heavy grain.

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Daft lad woke up for tea, but still not hungry. He spied the diorama drying on the radiator, so I got him applying the Woodlands Scenic's "Earth Base" to the bare plaster. Looks more the part now...

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Postby Adrian » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:19 am

G'day David,

Came across this site and it looks as if your short container has a prototype.

http://www.containercontainer.com/product.aspx?key=36

By the way the rest of the diorama is looking good.....glad to see that you have roped in the locals to help as well.

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Postby david colley jnr » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:19 am

Adrian, cool, although mine is no longer a ten footer, it's a forty foot container, you just can't see the rest of it :lol:

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Started laying down the grass after painting the verges brown.

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Did a test shrub and tried out a couple of longer clumps of grass. I wanted to try and create a more textured effect which the scatter simply won't achieve. Any ideas? I know Colin Peake uses hanging basket liners to great effect. Any SBS knocking around?

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Postby underworld » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:49 pm

Looks cool David! 8) Did you build the container?


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Postby david colley jnr » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:22 pm

Thanks! I did build the container, but from a resin kit! :) it's from mac models and believe it's intended for ships. It's modular, so you can add two kits to make a standard 20' container, or even a 40' version. The castings needed a fair bit of fettling, and I managed to get the roof back to front, but it serves well as an engine shed!

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Got this stuff in the diorama kit. Described as foliage material, it looked a little like the infamous hanging basket liner...

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Did a wee test on a piece of scrap foam core... after a bit of a trim, it seemed to do the trick, so unable to find any other info, I forged ahead with grassing up the knoll. I've included a step by step so you can all laugh at my mistakes and hopefully learn by them as i'm sure I won't :lol: :roll: :oops:


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So here are my weapons (tools) of choice. Good old PVA and a pair of scissors. Actually the kitchen ones. Hope SWMBO won't mind! :lol:

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Cutting it into small slivers seemed like a better idea than glueing it on and tearing it off as i had already applied scatter and didn't want to pull all that off.

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Lashings of creamy PVA. The scatter soaked it up, so really needed to daub it on.

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Push it home, making sure the base of the fibres are stuck into it, but so the PVA doesn't draw along the fibres.

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Taa-Daa! rough grass. Hoping that the scatter will show through the long grass to give it some background and I hope that the joints in the strips won't show through. It needs a damned good hair cut, and where it ends, i'm planning on simply feathering it down to nothing to replicate the worn away grass. Thinking out loud, even if the joints do show, I may be able to sculpt them away.

Now, I've created this box frame to go around it, but it's left it in complete darkness. Never thought about illumination. Just looked up from the PC and spied a set of grain of wheat fairy lights I picked up from ikea, complete with a battery box for a quid some time ago. do you think they would work? And if so, should i cluster them in one spot, or spread them over the model?

Cheers for listening to my ramblings, next time should see it with a hair cut and maybe some ballast!

David
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Postby SOUTHPASS » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:50 pm

Good morning David....Can that material be pulled apart instead of cutting? Might give you a more irregular patches of grass.
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Postby dretsome » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:24 pm

Hi David,

Just to give you some insight in my way of 'laying grass' and how to build up.

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Picture #1 and #2:
Apply some basic ground, in my case i use a fine brown ballast, then with the use of a Noch grasmaster or ready-made grass clumps apply clumps of grass, not entirely cover the surface. When it is dry, remove the grass fibers (grasmaster) which are not glued - just hold your layout upside-down. You will see the surface between your grass clumps.

Final touch, with a very cheap hairspray fix the upper grass clumps and with the use of a tea streaner i apply some fine colors (white, orange/yellow) to highlight some flowers.

Picture #3 and #4
I use some plastic plants from the local market garden for fish tanks/decoration, as long as they are small/at scale. Saves me some money ;-)

Some tips:
- Ground rule, always try to do the grass before the ballast.
- want to create some depth in your vegetation -> apply first some dark fibers/foliage and on top some final light colors

May be of some help here...good luck!

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Postby Adrian » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:33 am

Adrian Hoad

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Postby david colley jnr » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:44 am

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Postby david colley jnr » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:57 pm

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Got round to cobbling together the first toe and sticking in the stock rail for the main line...

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A closer view...

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Put another layer of ballast down. Needs sticking in, but I really needed to see it in the flesh. The size looks to be a little on the large size, but hey, you use what you're given! :lol:

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The reason behind this little folly. Colin Peake's lovely little diesel. It's been sat on it's cd display for ages now, so I thought I'd best give it a new home!

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Finally, the trackplan. Actually, the reason I've posted this is that something just isn't right. I've been staring at it for ages now and can't quite see it. Any ideas?

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