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Postby chris69 » Mon May 25, 2009 3:31 am

Hi,
I came a cross some stuff called: Rust Antiquing Set by Sophisticated Finishes.
i read about this in other forums and wanted to try it.Since it is a 2 part system (Iron Metallic Surfacer and Rust Antiquing Solution)I will have to wait till tomorrow (following the instructions) to apply the Rust Solution.
has anyone used this ? Is it really necessary to wait 24 hrs?

looking forward to your experiences

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Postby Alan » Mon May 25, 2009 7:33 am

Chris

There was a similar two-pot solution available a while back whose name escapes me just now and I can't find mine to remind me. It too was a suspension of iron filings and an oxidising agent. If you look at my Chagrin Mines' Mine Tubs page, you'll see pictures of the end results. I waited the recommended 24 hours after the first (two) coats of iron filings, then oxidised them with one coat.

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I don't know if you have to wait but it does seem to make for a good result. I subsequently sold these to Basildon MRC and they can now be seen making circuits of Secciole Salina, because I won't be using Kadees on my Gn15 layout, if I ever get around to building it.
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Postby greengiant » Mon May 25, 2009 9:44 am

Alan wrote:Chris

There was a similar two-pot solution available a while back whose name escapes me


Rustall?
I have used this on some corrugated sheet, it worked well, takes a couple of days for the full effect.

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon May 25, 2009 10:15 am

Yes Chris, That's what I've used on many of my grotty Locos. Can't recall which are the threads though.
I have in fact waited until the first coat looks dry and then painted on the Rust agent - still seems to work though the effect does take time to develop. A second coat of agent also seems to give a grottier finish. :lol:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon May 25, 2009 10:40 am

You dont really need to wait 24 hours, though that gives a certainty that the base coat has set. If you apply the activator prior to the base being fully set, it will soften it and can move it around, which can give some interesting results :wink:

Great stuff to play around with :)
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Postby KEG » Mon May 25, 2009 10:53 am

Hi,

I use a similiar stuff made in the US by modern option. Buy it at the local
art supply shops. I only buy the primer in larger bottles and use my own acids to make it react.


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Simply play around with the material. Give it a second or third coart, leave in the rain for a few days, dust and tone it with powdered pigments.......... A drop of oil gives interestng effect as well.


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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon May 25, 2009 11:24 am

I did try and get a thread going about these rust paints a while ago, but it fell a bit flat. So if anybody wants to add their own piece on rust paints, you might like to add it here
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=4261

It is something a lot of us use and would be a useful reference for questions like this one :wink:
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Postby Stumpy » Mon May 25, 2009 12:23 pm

Could the product you can't remember be called "Rustall?" I see it advertised here in the States, but have never used it.
Some years ago, I took a trip down to the local steel mill to investigate "rust" more closely and found that there is no single color for rust. Different alloys of steel and iron rusted to different shades of "rust." "Fresh" rust seemed brighter orange than "old" rust. Iron rusted to a darker, almost brown shade, while automotive type sheet metal started very orange and "mellowed" to a deeper orange.
Freight car wheels and couplers seemed to be a close match for Floquil's "Pennsylvania Dark Tuscan Red," probably because of a higher iron content in the steel. 55 gallon steel drums nearby were close to Floquil's "Rust" color.
No matter, rust is still rust, and as we say in the vintage car hobby "Rust never sleeps!"
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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon May 25, 2009 12:34 pm

Alan wrote:There was a similar two-pot solution available a while back whose name escapes me just now and I can't find mine to remind me. It too was a suspension of iron filings and an oxidising agent.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
You should read your webpage Alan :wink: It was Modern Options Instant Rust and I sold it to you :wink: Sadly, as far as I know it is no longer available in the UK, being a victim of over regulation of supposedly dangerous chemicals.
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Re: Rust?

Postby altterrain » Mon May 25, 2009 3:29 pm

chris69 wrote:Hi,
I came a cross some stuff called: Rust Antiquing Set by Sophisticated Finishes.
i read about this in other forums and wanted to try it.Since it is a 2 part system (Iron Metallic Surfacer and Rust Antiquing Solution)I will have to wait till tomorrow (following the instructions) to apply the Rust Solution.
has anyone used this ? Is it really necessary to wait 24 hrs?

looking forward to your experiences

Greetings
Chris :roll:


I use those solutions. Yes, its better to wait at least a day. The more you wait (2-3 days) the deeper the rust color will be. I have thought about speeding drying of the iron solution with a blow dryer but have not done so yet.

on these tippers -

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On these trucks, wheels and a few other spots. Also a bit of RustAll -

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Postby altterrain » Mon May 25, 2009 3:45 pm

Its also used for the roof panels of the shack and mine doors on my diorama -

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The roof panels sat for a few days before treating with the rust solution and the mine doors (more orange) were done after one day.

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Postby dieselwater » Mon May 25, 2009 4:06 pm

I like the textures and colours. I've always just used a combination of poster and oil paints for my rusting work. The oil paint can provide a host of surface textures and shades. Though, the rusty stuff being used here does look very good.
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Postby chris69 » Mon May 25, 2009 5:53 pm

Thank you all,
the feedback is great.I am learning a lot.And thanks for the pictures of your great work,very inspiring.
At present I am working with a few scrap parts I salvaged from old VCRs and CD players.I thing it will give me a good idea how the stuff will finally turn out and I can use it around the crusher.
I will post pictures of the results as soon as "process" is over.

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Postby michael » Tue May 26, 2009 12:03 am

Chris another way to go is to generate your own rust with a little vinegar and sone used steel wool put it in a tin can setit outside and let the vinegar evaporate off then crush up the wool to dust. I have then used Tamiya acrylic brown and while the paint was still quite tacky placed the painted part into a plastic container with the real rust and tumbled it around. to get this result

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The model is styrene with embossed rivets.
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Postby chris69 » Tue May 26, 2009 1:35 am

Hi Michael,
love the idea and definitely the result.That would be perfect for some of the
ore mining locos.
Steel wool and vinegar,almost tooooo simple,but genius is that way,right?

I played around with my new "toy" and here are some results.
First my Junk,salvaged from VCRs etc.

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Here is my 32mm gauge car before and the result.

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I know ,the holes need to be taken care of,but I did not have proper rocks available

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Postby michael » Tue May 26, 2009 1:57 am

Chris that looks terrific, with a few rocks in the car it will be perfect. I like the idea of a few bigger rocks rather that a lot of smaller ones. Then the rest of the weathering will show well.

The salvage parts are great, they look really convincing. Quite some time back I think it was Gerry who started it, a thread covered all sorts of found Junk that was recycled into Gn15 stuff. John of SouthPass fame has done some pretty creative stuff with salvaged junk as well.
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Postby dieselwater » Tue May 26, 2009 2:33 am

Chris, those parts looks good. I really like your wagon too 8)

Michael, I love your loco 8) The rust looks really good.

Junk modelling is so much fun. Thanks for sharing guys :D :twisted:
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