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Hogswatch -Christmas Tree Layout

Postby backwaterscotland » Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:09 pm

I've been a little quiet of late on the forum, partly due to time spend modelling some standard gauge stock and partly due to a lack of inspiration.

However, my wife asked me to build a layout to go around the base of the Christmas tree this year and an idea was sown.

The plan is to have Emett meets Pratchett so quite an amount of madness :shock:

The layout itself is simple, a circle of track running around the tree base with a snow scene. I started with an IKEA Lack table as a baseboard, a circle of Peco O16.5 track and a hornby controller. I then started building up the scenery with polystyrene. (The wooden block in the middle of the layout is to fit the bottom of the artificial tree into)

Progress so far :
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Stock for the layout will consist of 3 Smallbrook Studios kits - a Nellie kit and 2 wagon chassis which I'll scratchbuild bodies for.
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The Pratchett twist is that I'll be using characters from Hogfather on the layout. The train will be driven by DEATH dressed as the Hogfather (a Papo skeleton with a red cloak, false beard and cushion strapped around the middle), the hogfathers sleigh will sit in front of the tree base pulled by 2 boars (the excellent Schleich figures), other details will occur to me as I go along I'm sure!

More updates as the layout progresses (next up will be the papier mache over the polystyrene.

Andy 8)
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Postby ijopson » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:50 pm

It will be very interesting to see how the two worlds overlap. I look forward to future instalments.

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Postby Adrian » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:59 am

G'day Andy.
Good start with the layout.

The train will be driven by DEATH
Isn't that a bit dark for the merry time of Christmas ????

In-spite of that I am looking forward to seeing it progress.

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Postby RobM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:31 am

Hi Andy,

Inspired idea for a layout, look forward to seeing this one progress.

Please, please find a place for the Death of rats! (perhaps sittin on the front of the engine eating mince pies (or turnips to keep in with the hogswatch theme :lol: )

Adrian - I think you'll be surprised how un-dark this one could turn out, have a read of Hogswatch, its a cracking read and a brilliant mirror to our own xmas festivities (I read it every year but then again I also like muppets christmas carol so perhaps I'm not the best judge :lol: :roll: ).

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Postby RobM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:16 pm

Whoops! just remembered the book is called 'Hogfather' not hogswatch :oops: (I read the book every year but obviuosly don't read the title anymore :lol: )
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Postby backwaterscotland » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:41 pm

Adrian wrote:
The train will be driven by DEATH
Isn't that a bit dark for the merry time of Christmas ????

Not really, in the book DEATH is dressed as the Hogfather and is a comical character with the false beard and cushion up the front of the outfit.

RobM wrote:Please, please find a place for the Death of rats! (perhaps sittin on the front of the engine eating mince pies (or turnips to keep in with the hogswatch theme :lol: )


Hopefully Death of Rats and Pixie Albert will make an appearance depending on me finding suitable figures of around the right scale. I got lucky in that the Papo skeleton scales out at around 7'6" in 1/24th. I'd like a Susan as well.

I did notice a witch on broomstick in the Papo range that resembles Nanny Ogg which brings more ideas to mind! - http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/papo-the-witch/

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Postby RobM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:54 pm

Wonder if anyone does an orangutan for the librarian!
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Postby backwaterscotland » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:27 pm

RobM wrote:Wonder if anyone does an orangutan for the librarian!
:lol:


Yes, I received one of these for my birthday a few weeks ago! http://www.wonderlandmodels.com/products/papo-orang-utang/

Just needs a book added :D

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Postby Si » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:48 pm

Interesting idea - look forward to seeing the results.

there is actually a OO9 layout based around Ankh-Morepork (or however you spell it) which features a lot of the Pratchet locations and characters - very good it is too, I saw it at the members day at Water Orton a few weeks back.

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Postby Adrian » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:23 pm

G'day folks
Looks as if a trip to Google to find a copy of 'Hogfather' is on the agenda :D
Cheers

Edit ---- copy of Hogfather is now winging its way to me ----( well soon I hope )---- from Amazon
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Postby backwaterscotland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:48 am

Si wrote:Interesting idea - look forward to seeing the results.

there is actually a OO9 layout based around Ankh-Morepork (or however you spell it) which features a lot of the Pratchet locations and characters - very good it is too, I saw it at the members day at Water Orton a few weeks back.


I've not seen that one but there is this interesting one on RMWeb : http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/45945-the-night-before-hogswatch/

Adrian wrote:G'day folks
Looks as if a trip to Google to find a copy of 'Hogfather' is on the agenda :D
Cheers

Edit ---- copy of Hogfather is now winging its way to me ----( well soon I hope )---- from Amazon


You won't regret that purchase, although you may find yourself buying the rest of the series as well :D

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Postby Si » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:39 pm

backwaterscotland wrote:
Si wrote:Interesting idea - look forward to seeing the results.

there is actually a OO9 layout based around Ankh-Morepork (or however you spell it) which features a lot of the Pratchet locations and characters - very good it is too, I saw it at the members day at Water Orton a few weeks back.


I've not seen that one.......


Here are a couple of pics that 'din' took at the show....more on http://ngrm-online.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6800 (but you have to sign up to see it I think)

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Postby backwaterscotland » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:00 pm

Progress report - slow but steady.

The Smallbrook studios "Nellie" kit is mostly finished.

The polystyrene has been covered in papier mache and now awaits paint and scenics :

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The first residents of the layout have arrived. My son and wife made me a couple of snowmen from air drying clay and twigs :

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Andy 8)
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:56 am

Like their snowmen, neat! And that newspaper company appears to have a thing for purple.
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Postby backwaterscotland » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:38 am

Willow Creek Traction wrote: And that newspaper company appears to have a thing for purple.


Holiday supplement from the free "metro" newspaper -most of what you see as purple is blue + yellowing newspaper + wallpaper paste.

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Postby Robert Leach » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:00 am

Hi, Andy.
Good seasonal idea for a layout. Nice to see polystyrene and papier mache being used. My recent layout used the same construction!
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:54 pm

Interestingly the Ankh-Morepork layout was at the exhibition I visited today.I had seen it before, but I had a nice chat with the builder/owner.

One point I raised was whether he had asked for permission to use the theme, and yes he had contacted Terry Pratchett and it was OK to proceed.

One other point that came out was that the originator/writer/producer of a story might be quite happy to allow someone to build a model based round the theme, but the trade support that has paid to use/produce products based on the work might not be so keen.
It's also a totally different case if someone produces commercial models based on someone else's idea/book or film.
Don't want to say more as intellectual property rights is a thorny issue with some, and is not simple.
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Postby backwaterscotland » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:06 pm

Starting to panic this week as the layout needs to be broadly finished by saturday :shock:

Papier Mache has been given a coat of matt white emulsion and then some Woodland Scenics snow. Track has been ballasted with granite ballast.

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Rolling stock as finished as it'll get this year - Smallbrook Studios "Nellie" with DEATH in control :

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Two Smallbrook chassis' have been fitted with scratchbuilt bodies (paintwork looks ok in reality but a bit tatty in the photos!)

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Hopefully, the layout will get the tree and details installed over the weekend and I'll get some pictures of the completed layout early next week.

Andy 8)
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Postby backwaterscotland » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:07 pm

Just realised I never posted a photo of the finished layout!

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Quite a few things didn't get done - Death of Rats, the sleigh with the boars and some of the detailing but I can come back to it next year.

Andy 8)

p.s. the Pratchett layout which Si posted photos of is in the new issue of Railway Modeller.
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Postby Tomo » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:14 pm

Looks wonderful!!

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Postby Nobody » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:06 pm

I made a GnATTERbox search for "papier mache" and I found this old but very interesting topic. Here is my newbie question: How can I make this "paper mache" thing ?
Thanks by advance for all your answers.

backwaterscotland wrote:Progress report - slow but steady.


The polystyrene has been covered in papier mache and now awaits paint and scenics :

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Postby backwaterscotland » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:24 pm

Laprairie wrote:I made a GnATTERbox search for "papier mache" and I found this old but very interesting topic. Here is my newbie question: How can I make this "paper mache" thing ?
Thanks by advance for all your answers.


Papier mache is just ripped up newspaper and wallpaper paste. Mix up wallpaper paste, apply layer of paste to surface (in this case polystyrene), cover surface with pieces of newspaper, more paste, more paper, repeat until about 3 or 4 layers of paper thick and then leave to dry. Once dry you end up with a hard shell that can then be painted and scenic material added on top.

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Postby Nobody » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:37 pm

Many thanks Andy. :D
Paper mache seems to be very easy to make for a newbie like me.

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:28 pm

There is an even easier method, which for me originated here. Liquidising old paper in a blender is something I have been messing around with for a few years since Michael told us of his experiments.
It is even easier using cheap toilet roll, which just needs to be soaked in water, and mashed up by hand. I have not tried it for scenery yet, but see no problem, as the mash can be applied to a wire netted framework(it does need to be heavier grade with smaller gaps though).Sqeeze out some water , so it will still mold but not drip then leave to dry. No glue is needed which is not only cheaper but also lighter. The downside is getting it dry, but I have resorted to using a hot air gun to speed up process, very carefully so you don't set it all on fire. :roll:
Any mistakes can be corrected, and as far as I can tell you can re-mash old material used, so if you change you model, just break it up and re-liquidise.
One word of warning though, don't put the old squeezed out water down the sink, as there is enough paper fibre and starch type glue to block pipes.
And if you want more info, google 'Paper casting'. It covers other things, and I prefer to think of it as real papier mache.
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